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March 9th, 2009, 06:46 AM
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President Obama is scheduled to lift the ban on stem cell research this week. Embryos are one of the main components of stem cell research since they are what scientists use to perform various tests. What are your thoughts on this? For those that are against abortion, do you also oppose stem cell research as well? Forgive me if this has already been posted.
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Go stem cell research go!
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I agree ladies. I think stem cell research can uncover cures to some diseases that would have never been discovered otherwise.
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Stem cell research should not be banned but taxpayer money should not go to it either.

I agree.
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Yeah, why? Stem cells are going to be curing a lot of the crap we're dealing with right now, and if you don't wanna pay for it, you're going to be super annoyed when they tell you that you can't get the treatment because you didn't assist in the funding in the research.

I think a part of what should be done is stem cells could, and should be obtained from aborted fetal tissue to start with rather than destroying created embryos.

I signed a waiver to allow the twins to be used for research should they qualify (they did not due to a genetic defect), and a lot of the other girls at the clinic chose to as well after I told them of the good things that come out of tax payer money.
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For those that are against abortion, do you also oppose stem cell research as well?
Over 70 treatments and cures have been developed from adult stem cell research. None have been developed from embryonic stem cell research. Cells from embryos are unpredictable and have grown into cancer over and over in patients.

There is no reason, imo, to destroy lives in the hopes of treating or saving others.
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I am fiercely pro-life, but I also realize that abortion is still legal. I support using aborted, or miscarried embryos for research, as it gives some meaning to a small life that couldn't have been protected. I do not, however, support the creation of life for the express purpose of experimenting with it. Pres. Obama needed to place SOME regulations before just overturning the law. The way it stands now, there's not really any safety measures in place to stop life from being created just to clone, and grow organs, etc. THAT I'm very uncomfortable with.

However, scientifically speaking, embryonic stem cell research is becoming almost obsolete, as we are finding stem cells in MANY places, including breastmilk.
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I don't know much about stem cells. Where do the aforementioned adult stem cells come from? What kind of stem cells does cord blood contain?

I think if it can save people its great.
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I don't know much about stem cells. Where do the aforementioned adult stem cells come from? What kind of stem cells does cord blood contain?

I think if it can save people its great.
I generally HATE wikipedia, but this one's pretty accurate, and concise. The heading "types" explains where many adult stem cells can be found.
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Over 70 treatments and cures have been developed from adult stem cell research. None have been developed from embryonic stem cell research. Cells from embryos are unpredictable and have grown into cancer over and over in patients.

There is no reason, imo, to destroy lives in the hopes of treating or saving others.
That has to be one of the most hypocritical statements I have EVER read. Have you ever watched a family member be stricken by a fast-moving deadly disease that completely annihilates their body, and all functions and completely destroyed their life and then nearly destroyed a family? Because I have.

My grandmother-in-law recently died from ALS/Lou Gehrig's Disease that killed her less than six WEEKS after diagnosis. Before diagnosis was months of testing, guinea pig medications that had horrific side effects, and we watched her slide from a normal 63 year old woman who was relatively healthy (she had beaten not only severe diabetes but also cancer in the past) be absolutely DESTROYED by ALS within 6 months and die from it six weeks after diagnosis. We are STILL reeling from her death in January 09, because in January 2008, she was here and was doing great. We watched a strong woman with a fiery personality, sharp wit and a great sense of humor spiral down to wheelchair-bound, unable to speak coherently, basically losing all functions and control over her entire body, and who tried so hard not to lose faith... to lose her so quickly was absolutely devastating for us and at the end she felt like a total burden to her family, which she wasn't. She wanted to die because there is no cure and she was in so much pain. Medications did absolutely nothing for her but dull the pain (hardly at all, I might add). She refused to take them the last three weeks because they were so horrible and the side effects were disturbing. Those last few weeks... I will never get those images out of my mind as we watched her weaken and die over a span of five weeks. That disease DESTROYED THE LIFE of a woman I loved very much, so don't even spout that hypocritical rhetoric, it is absolute bullcrap!

Those "lives" that you speak of are only POTENTIAL lives at an embryonic stage. My GMIL was actually here on earth alive, breathing, and living a great life until a disease killed her. A disease in which the cure may lie in stem cell research. Caring for an embryo, a POTENTIAL life with a 50/50 chance of even becoming a newborn baby, and not caring for the lives of those human beings who are already born is absolutely ridiculous and finding stem-cell research to be "immoral" based on pro-fetus (you're not pro-life if you don't give a darn about the people who already live here on earth, and opposing stem cell research qualifies as not giving a crap in my book) proproganda is absolutely despicable to me. Hypocrisy at it's finest; fight for a POTENTIAL life that has a likely chance of not even lasting past twelve weeks, let alone the viability gestational age, but screw the VERY REAL LIVING PEOPLE already here on this earth. Ugh. Disgusting.

And yes, I realize this was a very emotional post, but after having gone through what my family and I have, I am amazed that people can care so little about their fellow human beings living here on this earth and to make the statement that treating and saving others by search for a cure in stem cell research is somehow destroying "lives" (it's not a life, it's an embryo with the POTENTIAL for life) and therefore not worthy is absolutely ridiculous and touches a very raw nerve, as those very same diseases that we need to treat and may be able to find a cure with stem cell research DESTROY REAL LIVES. I will advocate until the day I die for stem cell research and searching for cures for diseases like ALS because I don't EVER want to have to hear of another family and their loved one go through the absolute HELL that we went through.

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I want to add that whatever form stem cell research takes, whether embryonic or adult, is a worthy scientific venture. Whether embryonic stem cell research becomes scientifically obsolete or not, after what we went though I would rather it be tried (with regulations, I do agree with DollBabyKG on that aspect as cloning for the purpose of cloning only makes me uncomfortable) than not.

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I'm with Andrika. I have a 3rd or 4th cousin dying of Battens Disease, and stem cell treatment has been proven to give quality of life (no quantity) to the patient.. but it's not approved here so she's losing out (her parent's cant afford the half million to take her to Europe for it). My father has dementia, and there's been some evidence that down the road it could help treat it in it's early stages.

If someone's going to benfit from it, I say go for it.
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Whoa there.. Government funding for medical research for stem cells from aborted fetuses?

Here's the concern:
Okay, one way of getting money people use can be stuff like donating blood, which is fine.. But the concern is what if people want to start getting pregnanant and aborting to get money by donating to research.

Okay? Dismiss if it you must, but does that maybe help paint the picture of the ethical concerns with this issue?
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Whoa there.. Government funding for medical research for stem cells from aborted fetuses?

Here's the concern:
Okay, one way of getting money people use can be stuff like donating blood, which is fine.. But the concern is what if people want to start getting pregnanant and aborting to get money by donating to research.

Okay? Dismiss if it you must, but does that maybe help paint the picture of the ethical concerns with this issue?
So what if people start wanting to get "prepregnant?" and aborting to get money by donating to research? Is that not their business, their body, their uterus, and between them and their God? We as people are not in positions to police every actions that human beings take, so I think that we should worry about our own individual homes/personal lives and leave everyone else to deal with theirs. We are not God, well at least I'm not, so who am I to judge.

I just believe the benefits of stem cell research outweighs the ethical concerns that some people have with this. Some of the above mentioned ladies mentioned various illnesses that this research could find cures for. I'd much rather have a cure for Batten's disease than worry about some person's ethical concerns. I'm very happy about SCR. The sooner the better for those suffering with incurable diseases. We've waited long enough, so it can't happen soon enough.
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Whoa there.. Government funding for medical research for stem cells from aborted fetuses?

Here's the concern:
Okay, one way of getting money people use can be stuff like donating blood, which is fine.. But the concern is what if people want to start getting pregnanant and aborting to get money by donating to research.

Okay? Dismiss if it you must, but does that maybe help paint the picture of the ethical concerns with this issue?
I highly doubt donating aborted fetuses to science is ever going to be a profitable venture. I can also tell you that an abortion is not exactly like a walk in the park (not in any way I have ever heard it described or read about the procedures) & unless they were paying exorbitant prices (which I can't see EVER happening ) no one would ever be willing to go through all of that for a few bucks....seriously. There are much easier & safer ways to make money than that would ever be,
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I highly doubt donating aborted fetuses to science is ever going to be a profitable venture. I can also tell you that an abortion is not exactly like a walk in the park (not in any way I have ever heard it described or read about the procedures) & unless they were paying exorbitant prices (which I can't see EVER happening ) no one would ever be willing to go through all of that for a few bucks....seriously. There are much easier & safer ways to make money than that would ever be,

my surgery for my 1st loss is termed an abortion... not only was it painful but I was awake for the whole thing. It's traumatizing, and scary even for those who are willingly having the surgery. So you are spot on with that one Beckie!
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Whoa there.. Government funding for medical research for stem cells from aborted fetuses?

Here's the concern:
Okay, one way of getting money people use can be stuff like donating blood, which is fine.. But the concern is what if people want to start getting pregnanant and aborting to get money by donating to research.
Well, aside from being an inefficient and dangerous source of income, I don't see anybody seriously suggesting that women should be paid for their embryos. Only that the government should provide money to the researchers.
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