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June 1st, 2009, 01:21 PM
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Suspect held in slaying of abortion doctor* - Crime & courts- msnbc.com

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I don't understand why Christians would be so upset with someone that sends babies to be in Jesus' loving arms. The Christian alternative is that they grow up to spend a life on Earth and most likely turn from God and end up in hell for eternity.
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Even if someone thinks its wrong what it does, it doesn't make it right to stop him by killing him. Vigilante justice is no justice at all.
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June 1st, 2009, 02:19 PM
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It's a horrible tragedy.
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June 1st, 2009, 02:24 PM
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I don't think it was the killer's place to shoot the doctor, but I can't seem to dig up much sympathy for the doctor, either. It's too bad it happened.
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This is something I rarely say but I agree 100% with Obama when he said:

"However profound our differences as Americans over difficult issues such as abortion, they cannot be resolved by heinous acts of violence"
I agree, and it's important to note that the doctor was acting completely within the confines of the law, and this domestic extremist/terrorist was not.

ETA: Tiller's Church releases a statement.
George Tiller's church releases statement about his death | Top Stories | Wichita Eagle
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June 1st, 2009, 09:39 PM
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I was horrified that someone shot and killed an abortion doctor.
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June 2nd, 2009, 03:54 AM
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I feel bad for the family, friends, and all the innocent people in that church. I feel disgust that the shooter would not only take another life in the name of being 'pro-life' but to do so in a church. I can't say I feel a whole lot of remorse that a man who killed so many won't be around to continue doing so. Karma tends to bite you in the backside like that.
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Another question... If he truly was a baby murderer and the government did nothing to stop him, at some point is it valid for someone to take action on their own?
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Daddyx2...apparently to the shooter, yes. Personally, I hold my own beliefs and know when I'm reading something that is informational/educatioanal vs propaganda, etc. Thats part of why I don't even visit pro-life sites anymore.

smt... vigilante justice is never a good thing regardless of how 'good' the reasons or intentions behind it (not that this was 'good', but I'm sure everyone can think of some situation where they may not condone but could understand someone removing another being from the human race)
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I feel bad for the family, friends, and all the innocent people in that church. I feel disgust that the shooter would not only take another life in the name of being 'pro-life' but to do so in a church. I can't say I feel a whole lot of remorse that a man who killed so many won't be around to continue doing so. Karma tends to bite you in the backside like that.
Killing one abortion doctor will not stop future abortions. There are plenty more doctors practicing and training for this.
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Killing one abortion doctor will not stop future abortions. There are plenty more doctors practicing and training for this.
Unfortunately, that is incorrect, Carla. Dr. Tiller was one of a few Drs in this country that provide late term abortions and perhaps the only one in Kansas? I feel for women who need this service that now may not have this legal option available to them.

Sadly, less and less doctors are going to be willing to advocates for women's reproductive rights if they feel their lives are in danger by doing so.
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I am absolutely pro-life, but that is for a person of ANY age, unborn or born. It was not the shooter's place to be judge, jury, and executioner.

And although I am pro-life, I am not pro-prolife-groups and their tactics, if that makes sense. Those tactics undoubtedly had an influence on this individual and their decision to shoot the doctor.
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Another question... If he truly was a baby murderer and the government did nothing to stop him, at some point is it valid for someone to take action on their own?
Interesting question. In this case I don't think so because he was shot in church - he was not actively killing when the murder took place. In order for someone to be justified in killing in self defense of another the threat has to be immediate. I think this would be a whole different situation if the killer had busted into the clinic and shot Tiller as he was about to perform a late term abortion.
By the way - when they say late term - how late are we talking here? not that it makes a difference to me personally but just wondering.
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Unfortunately, that is incorrect, Carla. Dr. Tiller was one of a few Drs in this country that provide late term abortions and perhaps the only one in Kansas? I feel for women who need this service that now may not have this legal option available to them.

Sadly, less and less doctors are going to be willing to advocates for women's reproductive rights if they feel their lives are in danger by doing so.
Good point Sandy! What some fail to realize is that most women that have late term abortions do it for reasons other than NOT wanting the baby. When most people make it that far in a pregnancy, they don't carry a baby for 20 weeks and one day wake up and decide that they no longer want to be pregnant or just don't want the child-there are other factors that contribute to that decision.

ETA: I know here in Atlanta, we have several facilities that will perform up to 20-21 weeks. Me, personally, I can't fathom having to go through that, especially at such a late stage, but with some women there are certain situations that warrant it.
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