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September 23rd, 2009, 11:59 AM
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(I'm pretty pro-life so normally try to stay out of the abortion debates)



What is the latest in a pregnancy a abortion should ever be done (not talking life treathing, just general abortions)
What is the latest you personally would think is ok?

Why?

Do you think the abortion laws should be cut lower time or more time?
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September 23rd, 2009, 12:14 PM
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I don't think there should be restrictions, I think it is a procedure btw a woman and her Dr, and governing laws should not be involved.
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September 23rd, 2009, 01:51 PM
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MY stance is weird. I'm pro choice and pro life. I'm pro life because I believe that abortion is wrong (unless the womans life is in danger). However I also do not believe that our society can handle an abortion ban. We are not set up economically or socially to deal with 800,000 extra (unwanted) people per year. End of story. Our citizens have also shown that they are not responsible or educated enough to handle birth control or abstinance. We need to either eliminate the need for abortion (force birth control) OR set up a social system to take care of the babies (orphanages or something similar) before abortions could be banned. Until I see a plan for either of those things, I remain pro-choice because as bad as it is to murder a baby, I believe it is equally as bad for a society as a whole to reproduce irresponsibly without proper resources. In the end, this is tantamount to murder because death rates and crime will go up. a LOT. HEalth care will be strained with all of those extra children/people who probably won't have health insurance, they themselves will have a low life expectancy, and without having a good family to support them, there is a good chance that they will turn to a life of crime. I'm sure I'll get blasted for my views, but there they are.

So I would like to see an 8 week cap, personally. 2 missed cycles should be enough for a woman to realize "I'm pregnant" and " I can't care for the baby". However I'm a realist and I realize that some people are really clueless (Won't realize that they are pregnant) and that it should probably have a 12 week cap. Anything later than 12 weeks is sick in my book. You knew about the pregnancy, knew you didn't want the baby, or couldn't make up your mind, and just sat on the decision while an innocent baby developed. You might even have been showing after 12 weeks.
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12 weeks. I've always had this stance. I figure the first tri is more than reasonable for a cap. 24 weeks for medical terminations (baby is sick) and no limit if mom is sick, but baby should always be given a fighting chance.

That's pretty much the restrictions here. 12 weeks for elective, 17 with doctor approval, 24 for medical causes. anything after is induction.
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September 23rd, 2009, 02:34 PM
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I don't think there should be restrictions, I think it is a procedure btw a woman and her Dr, and governing laws should not be involved.
I agree with this.

I trust the mother. She know what's best. I don't get a vote on her choice to abort like I don't get to judge whether a woman uses drugs/surgery at the birth, formula or breast feeding, crib sleeping or co-sleeping.. the list goes on and on.

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I don't think there should be restrictions, I think it is a procedure btw a woman and her Dr, and governing laws should not be involved.
I just have to ask, so if a women is lets say... 30 weeks? maybe even more and she "realises" she wants an abortion
would you still agree?
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September 24th, 2009, 12:06 AM
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I just have to ask, so if a women is lets say... 30 weeks? maybe even more and she "realises" she wants an abortion
would you still agree?
In the United States a woman cannot just "choose" to have an abortion at 30 weeks. One, there are absolutely NO clinics in the U.S. that allow any "elective" abortions after 26 weeks, and secondly, you MUST have a medical reason to have an abortion at 30 weeks. So that point is rather moot, it seems.

Personally, I would not have an elective abortion after 12-15 weeks, and quite frankly I don't believe I would ever have one anyway unless it were absolutely necessary as I am more personally pro-life than pro choice, for myself. If it were medically necessary, I would have one later than that.

As for other women, it is between the woman and the doctor. NONE of my business - ever. And that is how it should be.
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September 24th, 2009, 10:43 AM
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My thoughts on determining the latest that abortions should be done is to try to minimize the overall harms. This involves weighing the desires of the mother and the potential desires of the baby. I think there is a point where the mother needs to commit to carrying to term and if she does not want to do that then she should get an abortion, as early as possible, to minimize the inherent risks. Ultimately, an unborn baby doesn't have any desires, but our sense of empathy and compassion tends to associate desires with them. It would be relevant that the mother's desires regarding the child's potential desires, be taken into account.

I think medical abortions to protect the mother could be done anytime. If she is in the last term and the baby is healthy then their should certainly be a good-faith effort to save the baby.

If the baby has serious problems I would think an abortion could be done at any time and it should be done humanely. This obviously gets into some gray areas.

Elective abortions should be done as early as possible, ideally in the first trimester.

I would be opposed to elective abortions in the second trimester unless there were additional circumstances like the rape of someone who did not know she was pregnant or some major change of events.
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My thoughts on determining the latest that abortions should be done is to try to minimize the overall harms. This involves weighing the desires of the mother and the potential desires of the baby. I think there is a point where the mother needs to commit to carrying to term and if she does not want to do that then she should get an abortion, as early as possible, to minimize the inherent risks. Ultimately, an unborn baby doesn't have any desires, but our sense of empathy and compassion tends to associate desires with them. It would be relevant that the mother's desires regarding the child's potential desires, be taken into account.

I think medical abortions to protect the mother could be done anytime. If she is in the last term and the baby is healthy then their should certainly be a good-faith effort to save the baby.

If the baby has serious problems I would think an abortion could be done at any time and it should be done humanely. This obviously gets into some gray areas.

Elective abortions should be done as early as possible, ideally in the first trimester.

I would be opposed to elective abortions in the second trimester unless there were additional circumstances like the rape of someone who did not know she was pregnant or some major change of events.
I agree with all of this
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Personally, past 28 weeks I have a hard time agreeing with, because that is around the time the thalamus is developed, and the thalamus is essentially what communicates with the cortex that an action is happening (this is also when they'd be able to feel pain). However, I'm still pro-choice for whoever needs to have one past that personal point for me. I don't really understand the choice past 28 weeks, because essentially if they could wait another month, they could have the baby and it would have a reasonable chance of survival, but like Michelle, I don't feel it's my place to put arbitrary gestation restrictions on these types of things.
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(I'm pretty pro-life so normally try to stay out of the abortion debates)



What is the latest in a pregnancy a abortion should ever be done (not talking life treathing, just general abortions)
What is the latest you personally would think is ok?

Why?

Do you think the abortion laws should be cut lower time or more time?
Personally, I do not think the world is ready for strict abortion laws. I do agree that an abortion should be done as early as possible, but feel there should be no restrictions for medically necessary abortions. I do not agree with partial birth abortions, and think if there was a medically necessary need for a late term abortion to save the life of the mother then a C-Section or induction should be done to see if the baby would survive and the mother would be okay too. But at the end of the day, I do feel that the mother should be able to have a medically necessary abortion as needed.

But as for regular abortions, I do think it should be done as early as possible, as it is safest for the mother when it is done early on. I can't really say where I feel it is okay and when it is not okay to have an abortion, because every situation is different. As said before I don't really agree with partial birth abortions (and I think those are done in the 3rd trimester only) and don't agree with late term abortions, but, I do not feel okay with anyone trying to restrict the right to have one. I would like to think all mothers would have an abortion within the first trimester, but sometimes people don't even realize they are pregnant, and something happens and they don't find out or have something happen where they feel a second trimester abortion is necessary, so I think it should still be allowed.

My thoughts are kind of all over the place on the matter, as I personally have feelings about abortion, where I think we are not ready as a world to restrict them, but the restrictions that are on them seem to work for the most part as they stand now. I just hope that all girls have them as soon as possible and hope they are informed on what ramifications that may come with an abortion and get the medical care necessary for them to be safe. I would much rather have loose abortion laws than girls having back alley abortions. What is right for me, isn't right for another, and vice versa. So I really don't feel it is anyones place to place harsh restrictions on them, because in the end it keeps girls safe, they get the medical care necessary, and they aren't trying to force a miscarriage through drug usage/alcohol usage/or any other way that may induce their own abortion. When girls do that the baby can still be born with serious problems, or it may compromise the health/life of the mother, and I don't want that to happen.
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I just have to ask, so if a women is lets say... 30 weeks? maybe even more and she "realises" she wants an abortion
would you still agree?
It wouldn't be in my right to agree or disagree. It would between her and her doctor. I think by that point in a pregnancy, a doctor is going to guide a woman to making a better choice, but I don't think laws should govern her decision.
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October 3rd, 2009, 07:41 AM
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In the United States a woman cannot just "choose" to have an abortion at 30 weeks. One, there are absolutely NO clinics in the U.S. that allow any "elective" abortions after 26 weeks, and secondly, you MUST have a medical reason to have an abortion at 30 weeks. So that point is rather moot, it seems.

If was more of a "What if? what if there was no laws and YOU could decide WHEN. no laws no nothing.

That was the point by the question.
Nothing else, just a "what if...".

Thanks for those who answered.
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I'm comfortable drawing the line at the point that the cerebral cortex begins functioning and we are able to measure brain waves. About 25 weeks. After that, you are dealing with a person there.
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As a person who has had an abortion (@ 6 weeks, as soon as I found out I was pregnant), I feel that 12 weeks should be the cut-off. 12 weeks is enough time to find out you're pregnant and make arrangements to have the procedure done. If you're still not sure at 12 weeks, you should probably just keep your baby. I also feel that women should not be allowed to have more than one in their lifetime. Accidents do happen, but I don't think it's ok for women to continue to have 'accidents' and not learn a lesson. Some women use abortions as birth control. It's sick. I had my abortion 2 years ago, and still wonder 'what might have been?' My husband and i had a 5 month old and were in no way ready for another one. Now that I'm TTC, I've been feeling guilty and wishing I could take back the abortion I had. Abortion is morally wrong. My husband and I had to go against our morals, and I still regret it to this day.
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