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View Poll Results: Pro-Choice or Pro-Life?
Pro-Choice 92 51.11%
Pro-Life 77 42.78%
Other (please explain) 11 6.11%
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  #161  
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July 26th, 2010, 06:49 AM
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I voted other.
I don't believe in abortion for birth control.

In cases of rape or if there were problems then I think it is ok,but it would have to be in the first trimester.
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October 28th, 2010, 06:44 AM
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Im pro-choice for everyone else and pro-life for myself. I feel that everyone should have the choice regardless of how I feel about it.
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I'm pro-choice, however, it may not be a choice I could make. It would really depend on the circumstances surrounding the choice.
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Im pro-choice for everyone else and pro-life for myself. I feel that everyone should have the choice regardless of how I feel about it.
This exactly. I would never have an abortion, unless my child couldn't survive outside of the womb or if continuing a pregnancy would kill me and I would prefer that be the only reason others have abortions, but it is their uterus, their choice.
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I don't think abortion as birth control is acceptable at all. If you made the decision to not use birth control responsibly/practice safe sex then you should have to live with it. There are plenty of methods and plenty of low-cost ways to get them. No excuse, IMO.

In cases of rape I can empathize but there is adoption. Lots of women can't get pregnant and want a child so badly, so why not grant their wish as well as your own? You don't want the child, they do want a child. Win win.

In cases of extreme deformation/disease that would lead to absolutely no quality of life or kill the child I can see that. Why bring a child into this world just to die?
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Win win.
And what about the emotional aspect of it? It is really not a simple win win situation. For some, it is torture and every second that they know they are pregnant, they are in hell. This is why no one should say "oh there is adoption" because it is different for every woman. Some can handle it and some can't.
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I don't think abortion as birth control is acceptable at all. If you made the decision to not use birth control responsibly/practice safe sex then you should have to live with it. There are plenty of methods and plenty of low-cost ways to get them. No excuse, IMO.
What about people who have used bc and had it fail? Yes, there are some that use is as a form of bc, but those tend to be women who have repeated abortions. The women who do it maybe once their entire life, it's not necessarily of a form of bc for them. Especially if they DID use bc and it failed. It does happen.
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That's why I said I can empathize with women who are raped that abort. I can't imagine how they would feel, but there is a innocent child in the making who had no choice in the matter of being born or not. People can tell me a baby in the womb is just a "fetus" and isn't really "alive", but that's not how I feel. It is NOT the woman's fault she got raped and ended up getting pregnant, but I am a very pro-life person. I can't really look down on it because I don't know the torment rape victims are going through, but my beliefs and feeling on abortion still are what they are.

I honestly don't know what I would do if I got raped and got pregnant. I would like to say because of my very pro-life-ness I would carry the baby to term and adopt out, or maybe even keep it. It is still a part of me. I can only speculate, however.

I do realize now my post sounded quite harsh on the rape matter, sorry for that. Tact, Linzie, USE IT!


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What about people who have used bc and had it fail? Yes, there are some that use is as a form of bc, but those tend to be women who have repeated abortions. The women who do it maybe once their entire life, it's not necessarily of a form of bc for them. Especially if they DID use bc and it failed. It does happen.
I know accidents can happen. My baby brother was an accident. My mom was religiously on birth control, was taking special vitamins and oopsie! If it was an accident I would strongly suggest adoption if the woman is not ready financially or emotionally to care for a child. I really don't like abortion. A baby is a baby to me, even in the womb. From the moment of conception I had a life growing inside me depending on me for everything. He was a part of me.

I won't make decisions for others, and you won't see me shouting hurtful things in front of an abortion clinic or saying nasty things/breaking a friendship if a friend had an abortion. I wouldn't do it myself, but I can't control what others do with their body.
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I am definatly in the inbetween "other" area. I typically just say that I am por-life because for almost any circumstance I am, I do not support a womens right to choose to kill a baby except under circumstances that were once the legal circumstances (rape, insest, or danger to the mothers life); HOWEVER I do not think that abortion should be illegal. I say that because I dont believe that back ally abortions are any better an alternitive. I do not like or support at all the choice to kill a child, however I am not heartless enough to say I hope these women try throwing themselves down stairs and get back ally abortions that render them with horrid infections that kill them. I do not think anyone that has an abortion should die, to me being pro-life isnt just being pro-life for the baby but being pro-life for life in general.

To say that there is just 2 options to be, either pro-life or pro-choice, is rediculous. I HIGHLY doubt that most of the people that are pro-choice are pro-late term or partial birth abortions. However when you put the lable, that you must be one or the other, all or nothing, everyones real opinions get skeewed. I dont think that being pro-life automatically means you picket abortion clinics and throw blood on people, just like being pro-choice doesnt mean your diriving your 35 weeks pregnany daughter/neice/friend to the abortionist for a partial birth abortion. However everyone acts like its truly all or nothing and I doubt that everyone feels that way.
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Pro-Choice.

I CHOOSE not to have an abortion whilst not assuming I have the right to infringe on someone else's CHOOSING to have one.

PS Just because I am pro-choice does not mean I advocate or am "for" abortion in any way. I don't like it any more than any of the pro-lifers. However, I DO NOT have to live with someone else's decisions in their life; they do. I am not about to go and blow up clinics (like the extremists) because that makes me no better than the woman who I'd be condemning. (Hello, blowing up clinic = people dying=murder. Same thing I am telling a woman NOT to do to her baby?--HYPOCRITICAL!!!!)

I do not SUPPORT abortion, I support women's rights. If I don't and other women don't, then a lot of women would not have any rights, would be subject to the punishment of the government (and not their God/Allah/Jehovah/higher power---who ultimately is the only one who should be judging). I see no reason why the government needs to tell a woman to have a baby we all will be the one's supporting. The reality is that NOT all women will adopt out. NOT all women are 'normal' and won't just let the baby starve to death. NOT all women are capable of handling a newborn or children at all for that matter.

I'd respect a woman much more for having an early abortion than I would had she made the decision to have the baby and resent him/her.

And before someone tells me "Do you think it's okay to kill a newborn baby or abuse a child?" I don't believe it's the same thing. I am sorry.
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Lets say abortion is illegal

Lets say we cant give girls under 18 BC pills

Lets stop handing out condoms

Lets ONLY teach abstinence

Lets cut medical care for low income

Lets cut WIC and TANF and Food Stamps


DO PEOPLE NOT SEE HOW THIS IS COUNTER PRODUCTIVE????? People want to say YOU HAVE TO HAVE THIS BABY NO MATTER WHAT, but then they dont want to make allowances to help take care of it OR get this, to allow people to help PREVENT THE CHILD FROM BEING CONCEIVED!!!!!

Of COURSE in a perfect world NOBODY would have sex until they were ready to have children, and NO children would be conceived unless they were ready and healthy, but its NOT a perfect world.

The govt and people in general are SO FREAKING CONFUSING and COUNTERPRODUCTIVE!!!!!

Sorry for all the caps, this topic irritates me terribly. I HATE HATE HATE abortion, but I know that its a necessary evil in todays world because its NOT a perfect world where everything is all sunshine and rainbows.
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I know it's been a while since this was active, but I didn't know where else to put this at. First off, I am Pro-life. Secondly, The Governor of Indiana, my state, has signed a bill that will defund planned parenthood and other abortion providers as well as restrict abortion. No abortion after 20 weeks. Our government is wanting to take out abortion completely eventually. I don't know if other states have done this, but Indiana is on it's way to becoming Pro-Life!!!!!!! I am very happy about this.

I do realize that Planned Parenthood does other things besides abortions, but they are the leading centers to do them, as well as hand out birth control to under-aged children (at least they do here in Terre Haute and the surrounding areas) and many of their other services can be provided at other clinics around Indiana for discounted prices.

Indiana House passes bill to de-fund Planned Parenthood, restrict abortion | The Courier-Journal | courier-journal.com

Also, an update... as I mentioned before, he SIGNED it!!!! I know that many many many many people are cheering along with me here in the Hoosier state!

Do you know what a tragedy that would be to do all that?

First, they should hand out birth control to those underage. It prevents pregnancy, and allows them access to services when their parents won't take them. More kids getting pregnant would be a HUGE problem. Not to mention kids not being protected can make the STD rates to skyrocket. They also do their services at a discount, in some places a greater discount than what doctors would do them for. This HELPS people who otherwise cant afford healthcare, and need things like a pap smear (which they do a lot of. They do a TON of services for woman, abortion is not in the majority of their services).

Abortion restrictions lead to an increase in self-performed abortions. An increase of kids on state funded care. An increase in women needing state care. This leads to a girl having a kid shes not ready for, and it can affect the child for life, leading them into a cycle of poverty themselves. There are TONS of kids in state care already, so the simple "just choose adoption" won't work, because there simply is not enough homes for the kids that already need to be adopted, or would be placed into adoption if abortion is outlawed. Our education system is already shot to ****. Classrooms are so crowded, and making woman have kids and placing them into an already shot educational system would make our schools WORSE.

I know people hearing these problems will simply say "Well dont have sex if you can't deal with the consequences." That isn't practical. It will NEVER work. It will NEVER happen, so it's a useless point to make. People have sex. End of story. Once people accept that, and then deal with the repercussions of such in the best way possible, it would be awesome. The best way possible does NOT mean defunding planned parenthood, or making abortion illegal. It does NOT involve taking away birth control.

It means providing support and resources for all ages and walks of life, of which abortion is included as a resource.
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I know it's been a while since this was active, but I didn't know where else to put this at. First off, I am Pro-life. Secondly, The Governor of Indiana, my state, has signed a bill that will defund planned parenthood and other abortion providers as well as restrict abortion. No abortion after 20 weeks. Our government is wanting to take out abortion completely eventually. I don't know if other states have done this, but Indiana is on it's way to becoming Pro-Life!!!!!!! I am very happy about this.

I do realize that Planned Parenthood does other things besides abortions, but they are the leading centers to do them, as well as hand out birth control to under-aged children (at least they do here in Terre Haute and the surrounding areas) and many of their other services can be provided at other clinics around Indiana for discounted prices.

Indiana House passes bill to de-fund Planned Parenthood, restrict abortion | The Courier-Journal | courier-journal.com

Also, an update... as I mentioned before, he SIGNED it!!!! I know that many many many many people are cheering along with me here in the Hoosier state!
I can guarantee you just as many people are not cheering.

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I agree with giving teens birth control, but here in Indiana, they do it without parent's consent and that is not cool. I had to take BC as a teen because of irregular periods myself.

If someone doesn't want a baby, use contraceptive or don't have sex. But unless it's for medical reasons, abortion shouldn't be used, in my opinion. That's why adoption is there. I think it's sad when there are so many couples unable to have children yet women decide to abort their unborn baby just because they can't handle another one or can't afford another one. Give the child to someone who can afford it. Now if the mother is in danger then maybe... that's a reason, depending on the danger of course.

Birth control can fail.

Would you have an abortion if you knew as soon as your child was born, he or she would die? Would you have one if you knew that he or she would die slowly while you were pregnant with him or her?
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I agree with giving teens birth control, but here in Indiana, they do it without parent's consent and that is not cool. I had to take BC as a teen because of irregular periods myself.

If someone doesn't want a baby, use contraceptive or don't have sex. But unless it's for medical reasons, abortion shouldn't be used, in my opinion. That's why adoption is there. I think it's sad when there are so many couples unable to have children yet women decide to abort their unborn baby just because they can't handle another one or can't afford another one. Give the child to someone who can afford it. Now if the mother is in danger then maybe... that's a reason, depending on the danger of course.
My daughter is the result of condoms failing and we not noticing the condom break. Contraceptives DO fail. I have the mirena, and even that could fail!

As I said, the "don't have sex" isn't logical. Have you always had sex with one end-result in mind, the result of pregnancy?

Plus, you can think it's sad all you want. You are entitled to. But there are already kids in the system. There are already kids that need to be adopted, and aren't. Why can't those that need to adopt choose kids already in the system, and not wait for their perfectly healthy baby from a pregnant girl? Seems selfish to want to limit abortion when so many kids are already in the system.

What if I said it was selfish of you to TTC when so many kids are in the system already? Why can't you adopt? What if I took your statement, turned it around and said:

"I think it's sad when there are so many couples unable to have children yet women decide to keep trying to conceive instead of adopting a child already needing a home, just because they can't have a biological child of their own. Get the child from someone who is already pregnant and not wanting the child."

Not a very nice statement, is it?
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