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There are a couple issues that I think are important.
The first is that terms like "child" and "baby" are tossed around without thinking through context. A fertilized egg is 0 to x potential children. It is not yet a child, at least not any more than a chicken egg is a chicken. There are quite a few processes that need to take place before person exists.
The next big issue is one which relates to suffering. There is a point in the pregnancy where the fetus is incapable of processing pain in any significant or meaningful way. I don't see a big problem with a parent choosing to abort before that time, especially if there is a potentially serious medical issue.
I have 2 friends who both have Spina Bifida. It makes me very upset that someone would kill their own child just because of that. Our friends Dennis and Lisa are our best friends, and they always babysit my kids. They are the most wonderful people. I cannot believe that people cannot accept their own children for who they are. We are supposed to protect them. Both of my kids are delayed and my almost 2 year old son has a milder form of autism, and we are working with lots of specialists and doing a program to get him to learn to talk right now. Even if I had known my kids were going to be delayed,that is not my right to kill them because of who they are.
First of all, "who they are" is not defined by any illness or disability. Your friends aren't Spina Bifida Jane and Joe. They are Jane and Joe and they have spina bifida, though I doubt that is how they introduce themselves.
Who are you to say what constitutes "protection". If you find out that your child has a debilitating disease that will be a constant source of pain and suffering until the child's inevitable death within a month, how is the decision to give birth to that child and subject him or her to a few agonizing weeks, "protecting" the child? I could easily say that is a selfish choice.
It is the people with disabilities that are the strongest. They don't try to put on a front, they just show who they are. The way God made them. I also have a friend whose daughter, years ago was told by a songrapher that her unborn child did not have a brain. My dad is a pastor so we prayed about that and God told him that the Dr. was lying. She went through with the pregnancy and the child is 12 now and fine. They found out the sonographer was an abortionist and he had been lying to people so he can do abortions.
I, too, am going to call BS on this little story. It never happened.
How disgusting! Never trust just a Dr. Give your child a chance. If they are going to die, just let them be born and hold them and love them while they go, or if they have a chance to live, fight for them. Two words.. JUDGEMENT DAY! and it is closer than you may think.
Yes, it is so much more humane and loving to let a child suffer, even if the suffering is excruciating for the few hours or few weeks that the child will survive. It will make it all okay if you just hug them through the agony.
Originally Posted by mommy10_13
I will admit that I did not know that spina bifida can be life threatening but either way it is still wrong to kill the child. How can that not be wrong. I am not being judgmental either. The Bible says Thou shalt not kill. It is a commandment so it is just calling it like it is. It says he knew us before we were formed in our mothers womb.
I can show you several biblical passages in which God orders infanticide, abortions, murder, even genocide. Just calling it like it is....
It would be hard to deal with a severely disabled child for sure, but our children are our responsibility. The thing is though, there have been cases where the sonographers have been wrong, or tests have been wrong and the child is fine, or not as bad off as they thought.
A sonographer seeing a vagina instead of a penis, is one thing. A sonographer mistaking a brain for an empty skull is quite another.
We have all been the unborn, just remember that.
Wow. Did you read this on a bumper sticker?
Wife, Mother of 4, Homeschooling, and wine drinking.
This really took my breath away and makes me sad. My nephew who i am etremely close to was born with Spinda Bifida...we didn't know until they turned him over in the delivery room.....we were told he would probably never walk...and today he walks, he plays sports, and he is his 8th grade class president...you would never be able to tell something was wrong with him unless you personally knew him....yes he has had tons of surgerys(infact i just got back from being at the hospital for one of the surgerys), yes some days are hard on him, yes he has bowel and bladder issues......but could you imagine if they had known and chosen to abort him.....we would not have are smart straigt-A student, funny, good looking young man that we have. And what is amazing to us is if this had happened to his brother i don't think he would take it as well. My nephew is just the most amazing kid, and handles his issues with such grace....he has been such a testimony to so many people.......
and trust me i know how there is different levels of Spina Bifida we know alot about it.....but pregnancy tests and ultrasounds can always be wrong or less severe...kwim?.It is not my place to judge, i just find it a sad situation.
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I work with children with severe special needs. I dont agree with aborting because of it... but I will tell you this... parents who cant handle it and have to...are broken broken people. It destroys them. And in turn... destroys the child.... they arent given what they need, even if it isnt intentional.