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October 2nd, 2006, 11:14 AM
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YES I think they are hypocrites. I think people who even consider their options a hypocrite. I once was a hypocrite. I learned the moment I considered my options that I just used my right to choose. I was not pregnant so I did not have to go through with my choice. Just knowing that I had a choice, and considering it, is a choice, from that moment on I was pro choice.
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October 2nd, 2006, 12:23 PM
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I guess it depends on the individual. Maybe she had an abortion and it negatively affected her life. maybe she's had a hard time overcoming it mentally and emotionally. Maybe that turned her against abortions and she is now pro-life? I don't know...I think if she is out having multiple abortions but preaching how bad they are...then yes that is hypocritical. Otherwise...we don't know her reasons. Maybe her abortions made her pro-life.
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October 2nd, 2006, 12:41 PM
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"The Only Moral Abortion is My Abortion"
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October 2nd, 2006, 01:39 PM
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Nah, I don't think that they are hypocrites. Situations changes our opinions everyday....so, then we ALL must be hypocrites in some ways? I think that time and experience helps mold our views, and I think that that has happened to every single person on this earth, so then therefore, we must all be terribly hypocritical....I don't think it is a bad or unusual thing to have experience and the passing of time mold our views...lol, but maybe that is just me.

Now if the situation was like abortion after abortion after abortion....I dunno...tough one to answer there.[/b]
So if a woman is pro life and has an abortion and continues to be pro life she is not a hypocrite??

And IMO the women that were pro choice before hand had an abortion and then later on became anti choice forgot what it was like for women faced with difficult decisions.
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October 2nd, 2006, 02:00 PM
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"I used this service and now I am going to fight to make sure no one else can use it"

Yep, hypocrite.

Doesn't mean they can't go ahead and fight for what they want, but, as per the definition of the word, you are now a "do as I say not as I do"er.
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October 2nd, 2006, 02:03 PM
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"I used this service and now I am going to fight to make sure no one else can use it"

Yep, hypocrite.

Doesn't mean they can't go ahead and fight for what they want, but, as per the definition of the word, you are now a "do as I say not as I do"er.[/b]
Exactly
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October 2nd, 2006, 02:23 PM
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We may all be hypocrites in some ways, but when you look specifically at the abortion debate, a woman who uses teh service and then turns around and fights to make it so that other women cannot use the service is a hypocrite.

That doesn't mean we can't debate with that person. It logically doesn't even diminish their argument (ad hominem attacks are a fallacy- so it's not like you can attack her person- tu quoque is also a fallacy, which is accusing the debater of being guilty themself).

It does, however, lead to questions about "experiences" and understanding where other women are coming from.
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October 3rd, 2006, 04:32 AM
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I will agree with one thing Mommieof3 has said here - hindsight is 20/20. Definately. No one is infallible.

I read the link katydid posted, and all I can say is, there are an equal number if not more of pro-lifers (or anti-choicers, as that link wanted to call it) who have never had abortions. And there are probably a number of pro-choicers who had an abortion and turned pro-life. Does that make them hypocrites, too? There are always extremists, and hypocrites, and people who have fickle opinions.

As to the O/P:
Do you consider a woman who has had an abortion(s) but is pro-life a hypocrite? Someone who has had abortion(s) but is now pro-life because they've "seen the light". Or someone who was pro-life to begin with and had an abortion due to any reason and is still pro-life. Your thoughts.....

First question - it depends on the situation. If a 14 year old had an abortion, regretted it, and turned pro-life at 21 years of age...no. That's the hindsight's 20/20 part.

Second question - same answer as the first, minus "it...situation".

Third question - I don't know. But yeah, probably a hypocrite. Your aborted fetus cannot be different than anyone else's murdered baby, just because it's you under-going the procedure.
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October 4th, 2006, 09:10 PM
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Do you consider a woman who has had an abortion(s) but is pro-life a hypocrite? Someone who has had abortion(s) but is now pro-life because they've "seen the light". Or someone who was pro-life to begin with and had an abortion due to any reason and is still pro-life. Your thoughts.....[/b]
I would love to just say yes they are hypocrites but I can't. (I will explain)

"We too have seen our share of anti-choice women, ones the counselors usually grit their teeth over. Just last week a woman announced loudly enough for all to hear in the recovery room, that she thought abortion should be illegal. Amazingly, this was her second abortion within the last few months, having gotten pregnant again within a month of the first abortion. The nurse handled it by talking about all the carnage that went on before abortion was legalized and how fortunate she was to be receiving safe, professional care. However, this young woman continued to insist it was wrong and should be made illegal. Finally the nurse said, 'Well, I guess we won't be seeing you here again, not that you're not welcome.' Later on, another patient who had overheard this exchange thanked the nurse for her remarks." (Clinic Administrator, Alberta)
That's my stomping grounds...

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There are always extremists, and hypocrites, and people who have fickle opinions.[/b]
This statement is what I mean.. There are so many factors to why people do what they do.
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October 7th, 2006, 02:28 AM
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I guess I would need a more specific example. I would think there are hypocrytical cases of this & cases that are not hypocritical. I smoked at 18, but I would really like to see that age lifted to 21 like drinking...does that make me a hypocrite? I drank underage & would like to see better parental involvement to curtail that...there are a MILLION things I have done & don't want others to follow in my footsteps. If a woman turned pro-life after an abortion - I would think most often it would fall into that type of category - not that she excercised some right & then wants to deprive others of it - but that she experienced something terrible & wants to save others from it - why else would someone have an abortion & then want to try & make it illegal. If she felt it truly helped her in some way - I am certian she would be the last one to push the pro-life mesage. IN the same way I would think someone that feels they have benefitted from abortion to be a particularly strong advocate for it. Anyway - I guess that sums it up - I don't think on the face of it - it's necessarily hypocritical, but it would depend on the situation obviously.
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October 11th, 2006, 07:53 PM
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I think ppl who have had/do have abortions are NOT pro-life. And if they claim to be...they are lying. You can't be both and you can't be on the fence. You either are or you aren't.
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