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  #21  
October 16th, 2006, 12:10 PM
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What is hypocritical is assuming pro-life websites give choice.. There is no choice. Pro-choice sites don't force abortions.
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October 16th, 2006, 12:11 PM
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Pro-life sites are known for their notoriously bad, misleading and UTTERLY FALSE information, and THAT is why they are biased.[/b]
But what about the prochoice sites that practically (if not outrightly) glamorize abortion and it's after-effects on the woman?

As a matter of fact, I believe it was the Planned Parenthood site that said that abortions do NOT cause most women psychological problems, which is COMPLETELY false. It is called PASS. Many, MANY women experience it.

So it goes both ways.
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many women do suffer from PASS but that does not mean the majority do. Planned Parenthood does alot ofresearch and surveys on these things.
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October 16th, 2006, 12:12 PM
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Pro-life sites are known for their notoriously bad, misleading and UTTERLY FALSE information, and THAT is why they are biased.[/b]
But what about the prochoice sites that practically (if not outrightly) glamorize abortion and it's after-effects on the woman?

As a matter of fact, I believe it was the Planned Parenthood site that said that abortions do NOT cause most women psychological problems, which is COMPLETELY false. It is called PASS. Many, MANY women experience it.

So it goes both ways.
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As I have recently discovered, PASS is not recognized by the DSM-IV as a phychological condition. That could have something to do with it.
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October 16th, 2006, 12:16 PM
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Why would you say that? What research has lead you to believe this? I am not sure personal experience with PASS or knowing women who have suffered from it really gives a good picture of the question of whether or not a majority of women who have an abortion suffer from it.
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October 16th, 2006, 12:18 PM
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Why would you say that? What research has lead you to believe this? I am not sure personal experience with PASS or knowing women who have suffered from it really gives a good picture of the question of whether or not a majority of women who have an abortion suffer from it.[/b]
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October 16th, 2006, 12:20 PM
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many women do suffer from PASS but that does not mean the majority do. Planned Parenthood does alot ofresearch and surveys on these things.[/b]
I would dare to say that a large portion (if not most), do suffer from some sort of PASS.

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As I have recently discovered, PASS is not recognized by the DSM-IV as a phychological condition. That could have something to do with it.[/b]
That's really sad and unfortunate....what about PTSS? That could easily be applied here instead of the unrecognized PASS.
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I don't know...I had PTSD after being raped and it was different. Some of the symptoms were similar (flashbacks, for example) but when I had PTSD I felt like I was completely out of control, could not predict when and where a panic attack would occur etc...after I had the abortion, I had more clinical depression than anything. I think that this is true of most women (at least the ones I have talked to)
I think it needs to be studied more...but your right, they shouldn't downplay the phychological after effects.
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October 16th, 2006, 01:28 PM
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The whole video is frustrating. A fetus cannot "scream." A fetus does not have conscious thought. A fetus cannot think about "cause/effect." A fetus, at this stage, is not even equipped with the ability to exhibit "fight/flight" reflex. The fetus cannot feel pain at this stage. The whole thing is just...ugh...incredibly frustrating!
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October 16th, 2006, 01:30 PM
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The whole video is frustrating. A fetus cannot "scream." A fetus does not have conscious thought. A fetus cannot think about "cause/effect." A fetus, at this stage, is not even equipped with the ability to exhibit "fight/flight" reflex. The fetus cannot feel pain at this stage. The whole thing is just...ugh...incredibly frustrating![/b]
I completely agree.. I wish I could convey this is partly why a fetus isn't a baby.
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October 16th, 2006, 01:42 PM
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The whole video is frustrating. A fetus cannot "scream." A fetus does not have conscious thought. A fetus cannot think about "cause/effect." A fetus, at this stage, is not even equipped with the ability to exhibit "fight/flight" reflex. The fetus cannot feel pain at this stage. The whole thing is just...ugh...incredibly frustrating![/b]

At this stage no it can't...And the thought that it is "running away" from the knife and "screaming" is simply ridiculous. It doesn't even have a functioning brain so how could it be aware of conscious thoughts like that?
I don't like abortion because it kills a potential life...but let's not assign emotions and thought processes where there are none. That is just manipulation.
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October 16th, 2006, 01:48 PM
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.... let's not assign emotions and thought processes where there are none. That is just manipulation.[/b]
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October 16th, 2006, 01:54 PM
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All I can really say about that video, I tried to watch it but I couldn't see the mouth open and couldn't even tell what was going on even with the guy explaining it. I didn't watch all of it either though, so I may have missed something. I only watched up to part 4. I would be interested to know if you used a finger or something like that and started going toward a newborn with it, would they squirm and try to get away from it? Would they "sense" something is "wrong"? Would they even be aware that you are there pointing something at them? I'm sure if you actually did touch them, they would react.
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October 16th, 2006, 02:03 PM
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I am looking at my 13 week ultrasound pictures from my first pregnancy and the fetal heartbeat is recorded at 182 on two of them. They never said anything was wrong...
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