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March 10th, 2007, 11:47 AM
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If I believed for even a moment that abortions were being performed now for the express purpose of providing tissue to be used in this way, I would be the first person on a soap-box - but clearly that is not what is happening[/b]
It is still happening: new fetal cells lines (PER.C6) were harvested in 1995 from a fetus 18 weeks gestation to help develop and ebola vaccine, an HIV vaccine and another flu vaccine.
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I am aware of PER.C6 - I also guess my definition of "today" & your definition are different. 1995 is the most recent I am aware of - and that is 12 yrs ago. What I was saying is that if they weer actively needing to "harvest" aborted fetuses for the purpose of continuing to manufacture vaccines & that without a "supply" of aborted fetuses we would be running out of vaccinations - that would trouble me. I am not sure I am explaining this correctly. I would be VERY angry if my Dh were to be killed - but again - if using some of his tissues would potentially cure HIV or cancer or anything - I have no problem with it being used. To me, what is done after the fact with tissue of any sort is of no consequence as long as it isn't the deciding factor in how that tissue came to be. If someone were to kill my Dh to be able to test his tissue - of course I wouldn't give my consent - I am not sure how else to explain it...and I feel like the more i say the less clear I am.
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March 10th, 2007, 12:40 PM
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<div class='quotemain'>If I believed for even a moment that abortions were being performed now for the express purpose of providing tissue to be used in this way, I would be the first person on a soap-box - but clearly that is not what is happening[/b]
It is still happening: new fetal cells lines (PER.C6) were harvested in 1995 from a fetus 18 weeks gestation to help develop and ebola vaccine, an HIV vaccine and another flu vaccine.
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I am aware of PER.C6 - I also guess my definition of "today" & your definition are different. 1995 is the most recent I am aware of - and that is 12 yrs ago. What I was saying is that if they weer actively needing to "harvest" aborted fetuses for the purpose of continuing to manufacture vaccines & that without a "supply" of aborted fetuses we would be running out of vaccinations - that would trouble me. I am not sure I am explaining this correctly. I would be VERY angry if my Dh were to be killed - but again - if using some of his tissues would potentially cure HIV or cancer or anything - I have no problem with it being used. To me, what is done after the fact with tissue of any sort is of no consequence as long as it isn't the deciding factor in how that tissue came to be. If someone were to kill my Dh to be able to test his tissue - of course I wouldn't give my consent - I am not sure how else to explain it...and I feel like the more i say the less clear I am.
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I just wanted to quote you to let you know that you made sense and I understand what you are saying. Am I correct by saying that if the fetus was aborted (or even conceived) with the intention of using for vaccines then you'd have a problem? But since the fetus would have been aborted either way they might as well use it for something useful? My wording is awful, as usual.


I am pro-life and we will not be vaccinating our daughter but the choice not to vacc. isn't connected to my pro-life stance. I do admit that I am appalled at the thought of anything coming from an aborted fetus being injected to anyone but that thought isn't related to my thoughts on abortion. I am just as concerned, if not more, about the other ingredients in the shots as I am about aborted fetal tissue.
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I will say first that I'm almost fully prochoice. I also wanted to be a geneticist and had hoped to work with stem cell research some day. The way I see it is that if a baby who was aborted, whether I think it's wrong or right, can help my daughter live longer and better or help hundreds of people have a better standard of living then I feel at least that death was not completely in vain. Is it really so much better that they'll dump that "tissue" in a bag and throw it in a dumpster? I'd rather see it help someone. That's just MHO.
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