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  #1  
May 7th, 2007, 12:53 PM
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What do you think about women who drink heavily or use drugs while pregnant? Do you think this is okay?

Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

I'm prochoice but I don't think this is okay. When someone has decided to keep their pregnancy they should have the interest of the baby in mind. If you're not going to do that, then have an abortion. Don't continue a pregnancy and risk bringing a child into the world who you are going to damage with your habits. It could cause permanent damage.
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May 7th, 2007, 01:26 PM
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When deciding to keep a pregnancy you make an unwritten contract stating you'll protect and shelter the fetus to the best of your ability. The contract is why I see it as not right to continue without trying to stop doing harmful things to your body. I'm pro-choice.
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May 7th, 2007, 01:46 PM
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What do you think about women who drink heavily or use drugs while pregnant? Do you think this is okay?

Are you pro-life or pro-choice?

I'm prochoice but I don't think this is okay. When someone has decided to keep their pregnancy they should have the interest of the baby in mind. If you're not going to do that, then have an abortion. Don't continue a pregnancy and risk bringing a child into the world who you are going to damage with your habits. It could cause permanent damage.[/b]
I'm pro life and I don't think it's OK to drink or do drugs during pregnancy.
Now, I honestly ask you, if a woman doesn't want to have an abortion it's her choice, right? For whatever reason? She doesn't have to go through something she doesn't want to? That's really the idea behind the "my body, my choice" argument, right? Not being forced into doing what you don't want.
So if a woman doesn't want to stop drinking or making drugs and doesn't want to have an abortion (or cannot afford one or whatever) why is it suddenly ok to tell her to do something she doesn't want to do? In other words, why does then the whole concept of complete control and desicion power over my own body disappears?

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May 7th, 2007, 01:48 PM
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We had a thread called Ok, so why would someone who is prochoice de against drinking while pregnant that may help you.
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May 7th, 2007, 01:48 PM
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because of the unwritten contract.
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May 7th, 2007, 02:08 PM
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I guess I'm not explaining myself here.
Rephrasing my question again, hope I can get it right this time.

If you believe a woman has absolute control over her body to the point that it's OK for her to terminate the life that's growing inside her, why doesn't she have decision power over something else? In other words, if you believe she doesn't have a right to choose to drink or do drugs, then you don't believe the "my body, my choice" argument is absolute because at some point some choices are unacceptable, right?
So really a person doesn't have full and absolute decision power over her body while pregnant. Why then do you assume she still has decision power over continuing a life or ending it but not on the quality of that life?
And please, no unwritten contract answer. If a woman has full decision power, she has the right to create her own unwritten contract without a non-drinking clause.
So the two points are: Should a woman have total desicion making power over her own body? And if yes, why wouldn't she have the same power to choose whether to drink or do drugs? And if not, how did you come up with that line and why is that line of yes for abortion, but no for drugs, the one line that we should all abide by?

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May 7th, 2007, 02:20 PM
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Should a woman have total desicion making power over her own body?[/b]
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why wouldn't she have the same power to choose whether to drink or do drugs?[/b]
no if she wants to keep the child due to laws I assume she wants to since she's spending 9 months pregnant
I guess she can but she'll have no rights to the baby after it's born
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May 7th, 2007, 02:29 PM
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Once again, i agree completely with Sharon. It's hypocritical, in my opinion, to say harming a fetus through drinking and drug use is not okay, but KILLING it is just fine.

But to answer the OP, no... i don't agree with drinking, smoking, or doing drugs while pregnant. It's just as bad as forcing a newborn to ingest alcohol, nicotine, or drugs would be. Wrong, period.
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May 7th, 2007, 02:31 PM
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Should a woman have total desicion making power over her own body?[/b]
yes
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why wouldn't she have the same power to choose whether to drink or do drugs?[/b]
no if she wants to keep the child due to laws I assume she wants to since she's spending 9 months pregnant
I guess she can but she'll have no rights to the baby after it's born
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We're not talking legally, we're talking ethically. We know the government's opinion, we want to read your opinion. Do you personally think that a woman has COMPLETE rights over her body? If so, why doesn't she have the right to choose drinking and drugs while pregnant? Complete means, full, absolute, unquestionable rights. If she doesn't have full rights, where do you draw the line, why did you draw it there and why is that line THE line that's right as opposed to the line pro-lifers draw that is that a woman looses that decision making power when she's sharing her body with another life?

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May 7th, 2007, 02:52 PM
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ethically, yes there allowed to do whatever because I don't know the whole situation. They are the ones that will have to deal with the child's issues. I don't like it but in general it has to be yes.
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May 7th, 2007, 03:02 PM
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ethically, yes there allowed to do whatever because I don't know the whole situation. They are the ones that will have to deal with the child's issues. I don't like it but in general it has to be yes.[/b]
And again... you confuse me. You just said on the other debate that our rights to harm ourselves end when we harm someone else. So how is hurting your child and giving them issues because YOU wanted to drink/smoke/do drugs okay??
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May 7th, 2007, 03:13 PM
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So how is hurting your child and giving them issues because YOU wanted to drink/smoke/do drugs okay??[/b]
because this debate is black and white not shades of grey. It would be to hard for me to say yes to some and no to others.
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So how is hurting your child and giving them issues because YOU wanted to drink/smoke/do drugs okay??[/b]
because this debate is black and white not shades of grey. It would be to hard for me to say yes to some and no to others.
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Maybe because, no insult intended, your position is a bit incoherent you can't seem to make it sound right. But this debate actually has many shades of grey, that wasthe whole point behind the question. You think that abortion is acceptable in every situation, for every reason because the woman should have full rights over her body. Let's call that black.
I don't know anyone, but there most be people that think abortion is never, ever acceptable and if thewoman is in danger she should sacrifice herself to give life to her child. She looses ALL rights to her body while pregnant Let's call that white.
And here's grey: there are certainly situations in which abortion is acceptable. We agree or disagree on those according to our beliefs, experiences, values, etc. BUT there are also situations in which abortiion is NOT acceptable. Sure, a woman has rights, but she also has responsibilities. And once there's a life sharing her body, she has to take those responsibilities into account. Keeping a baby and giving that our best shot is taking responsibility, acknowledging we're not ready or capable to properly look after that baby and deciding to give it to someone who can is taking responsibility. To destroy that life because it's inconvinient is abusing our rights and hiding behind them to avoid taking responsibility.
So there is a grey.

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May 7th, 2007, 04:08 PM
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maybe because, no insult intended, your position is a bit incoherent you can't seem to make it sound right.[/b]
no because I feel it's wrong to generalize. I can't say X person should or shouldn't be able to do it because I don't know everything, so I say yes X person can as horrible as I feel it is it's not my choice. It's the crack baby that suffuses but it's the mothers body.
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May 7th, 2007, 05:10 PM
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maybe because, no insult intended, your position is a bit incoherent you can't seem to make it sound right.[/b]
no because I feel it's wrong to generalize. I can't say X person should or shouldn't be able to do it because I don't know everything, so I say yes X person can as horrible as I feel it is it's not my choice. It's the crack baby that suffuses but it's the mothers body.
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Right... The baby suffers because of MOM'S choice. You said yourself, your rights over your body end when they hurt someone else. Well, crack baby is hurt... How is that acceptable to you then, based on your OWN logic?
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May 7th, 2007, 07:12 PM
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because the injury happens inside her body so she's not technically injuring the baby just the potential. though I don't avicate drug use during pregnancy but I I had to choose one side or the other like in this case it be with the mother.
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May 7th, 2007, 07:14 PM
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because the injury happens inside her body so she's not technically injuring the baby just the potential. though I don't avicate drug use during pregnancy but I I had to choose one side or the other like in this case it be with the mother.[/b]
Are you serious? Drug use and such isn't harming the baby? Google it... Millions of studies prove otherwise...
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May 7th, 2007, 07:21 PM
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of course its not right and should never happen, but it shouldn't be a law...
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May 7th, 2007, 07:28 PM
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but I I had to choose one side or the other like in this case it be with the mother.[/b]
Right... let's take the side of the selfish mother who cannot even get her nose out of the Coke line long enough to worry about her baby's future. That life is waaaaay more important than the innocent baby that'll be affected for the rest of his life.

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May 7th, 2007, 07:41 PM
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Right... let's take the side of the selfish mother who cannot even get her nose out of the Coke line long enough to worry about her baby's future. That life is waaaaay more important than the innocent baby that'll be affected for the rest of his life.[/b]
yes because it may not survive as sad as it is
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