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June 16th, 2007, 12:41 AM
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In light of the recent sextuplet births the debate about selective reduction has been on my mind. I am for the most part pro-life, but I go back and forth on selective reduction. What do you ladies think? What would you do?
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June 16th, 2007, 06:02 AM
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I wouldn't consider it. To me, it's kinda like if we were desperately poor and had very little food to go around, and choosing to get rid of one of my children so the other one would have a better chance of survival. I get the reasoning behind the decision, and can understand the difficulty of that position, but I personally could never do it, since to me my baby is my baby whether it's in utero or not. I could not sacrifice one innocent child willingly for the sake of another. I can have empathy for mothers who make that decision believing they're doing the right thing but it's definitely not something I personally would do.
ps. I wish people would be more careful and fully think through the ramifications and risks of certain fertility treatments before they undergo them. Fertility treatments certainly have their place but I think sometimes people can go overboard into pushing nature into something it can't really handle, leading to terrible decisions such as this one! People aren't built to have litters! Sorry, it just makes me sad when I hear about it.
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June 16th, 2007, 09:16 AM
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I wouldn't consider it. To me, it's kinda like if we were desperately poor and had very little food to go around, and choosing to get rid of one of my children so the other one would have a better chance of survival. I get the reasoning behind the decision, and can understand the difficulty of that position, but I personally could never do it, since to me my baby is my baby whether it's in utero or not. I could not sacrifice one innocent child willingly for the sake of another. I can have empathy for mothers who make that decision believing they're doing the right thing but it's definitely not something I personally would do.
ps. I wish people would be more careful and fully think through the ramifications and risks of certain fertility treatments before they undergo them. Fertility treatments certainly have their place but I think sometimes people can go overboard into pushing nature into something it can't really handle, leading to terrible decisions such as this one! People aren't built to have litters! Sorry, it just makes me sad when I hear about it.[/b]
I agree. I think I sometimes have problems with people using fertility treatments to SUCH a high degree because of this. Its truly sad. I mean if you are pregnant with say 6, honestly many many women would not be able to carry them all, and they would all end up dying if there wasnt some removed. So its all, or some. How do you decide though?

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June 16th, 2007, 10:12 AM
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I personally couldn't do it...but what if you were pregnant with 6 and because you didn't abort (is that the right term?) one or more of them to save the rest and they all died? I'd never forgive myself, but I'd never forgive myself for aborting the others. Ugh...that would be horrible.

I do remember a few years back where a woman was pregnant with 8? (I don't know the facts but I think this is right and I hope someone else remembers). She was told she would have to abort some of them for the rest to live, she didn't and 8 died...is this right?! I can't remember correctly.
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June 16th, 2007, 01:04 PM
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I personally couldn't do it...but what if you were pregnant with 6 and because you didn't abort (is that the right term?) one or more of them to save the rest and they all died? I'd never forgive myself, but I'd never forgive myself for aborting the others. Ugh...that would be horrible.

I do remember a few years back where a woman was pregnant with 8? (I don't know the facts but I think this is right and I hope someone else remembers). She was told she would have to abort some of them for the rest to live, she didn't and 8 died...is this right?! I can't remember correctly.[/b]
It's heartbreaking either way....
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I agree. I would be SO scared to take some fertility drugs or do IVF with more than 3 embryos because of this.
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June 16th, 2007, 01:47 PM
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DH and I are both pro-choice but we actually had this discussion a few weeks ago. We both agreed that we don't know how anyone who went through so much trouble to become pregnant could then have to make the decision to "reduce" the number of fetuses. How can anyone do it? We thought it was sick and sad and are glad we don't have to make such a decision because I don't think we could do it.
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June 16th, 2007, 05:53 PM
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DH and I are both pro-choice but we actually had this discussion a few weeks ago. We both agreed that we don't know how anyone who went through so much trouble to become pregnant could then have to make the decision to "reduce" the number of fetuses. How can anyone do it? We thought it was sick and sad and are glad we don't have to make such a decision because I don't think we could do it.[/b]
That is the really sticky piece about selective reduction. These are in no way unplanned or unwanted pregnancies. My parents tried for four years before they turned to IVF as a last resort. Four out of the six embryos successfully implanted. I was oblivious to most of their decision-making process as I was 13 and very self-absorbed, but I have talked to my mom about it since. She said it was absolutely the most painful decision of her life, but they decided to go through with the selective reduction. They reduced the pregnancy to twins. There ended up being several complications even with the relatively safe twin pregnancy which likely would have resulted in the death of all four, but my parents had no way to know that when they made their choice.

This whole nightmare scenario is precisely why my husband and I decided to not pursue any fertility treatments. It took us three years to get pregnant with this baby, but I felt I just couldn't handle everything I watched my parents go through with their journey. Most people think we're a little nuts for never seeking medical assistance, but it was the right choice for us. Not being able to have another biological child seemed like a small sacrifice to make to avoid such a heart-breaking scenario like the Morrisons are suffering right now.
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June 17th, 2007, 03:12 AM
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DH and I are both pro-choice but we actually had this discussion a few weeks ago. We both agreed that we don't know how anyone who went through so much trouble to become pregnant could then have to make the decision to "reduce" the number of fetuses. How can anyone do it? We thought it was sick and sad and are glad we don't have to make such a decision because I don't think we could do it.[/b]
Now, this is one that's difficult for me, as my best friend is currently going through infertility and has told me that, if she found herself pregnant with a whole bundle of babies, she would reduce. The decision makes me sad, I'll admit it - life or potential life, the loss is heart breaking. However, I can see how they can come to that decision. If you have 6, 8 fetuses (feti?), there is a very low chance even one of them will survive in the end. Put yourself in their shoes... You have been trying for YEARS to have just ONE baby. It has become so much of your life, TTC, that desire, watching people around you be pregnant, have kids. You use up every drop of insurance money you have, spend thousands of dollars on the treatments, go through an emotional roller coaster every single month that always seems to end with that horrible crash of a BFN.

And then you're pregnant, through some miracle come from both God and science. You're told there are 6 of them, and if you keep all 6, there is a very strong possibility that, when it's all over, you will have NO baby in your arms and be right back where you started - only with an even greater loss in your heart.

Do I agree with the decision? Not for myself, no... I don't think I could selectively reduce because of my opinions and experiences with abortion. I think I would just have fewer embryos put in to begin with to avoid the situation, maybe freezer a few more so that I had other options if I wanted another. But I'm not in their shoes either, so how do I know for sure? I can see the difficult decision they have to make in these instances - and how they could come around to deciding to take a better shot at having a one or a few babies in the end.
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June 17th, 2007, 07:46 AM
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I'm not sure I could reduce. I couldn't live with myself, I think, if I ever aborted a child. I'm pro-choice, but my choice is it's not for me.
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I ditto Chloe and Beth, and everyone else who said they couldn't do it. It just wouldn't be an option for me. I'd be pretty peeved at my doctor for allowing so many embryos to be implanted in the first place, though.
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June 17th, 2007, 11:35 AM
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I'm not sure I could reduce. I couldn't live with myself, I think, if I ever aborted a child. I'm pro-choice, but my choice is it's not for me.[/b]
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June 17th, 2007, 02:05 PM
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I honestly think itís wrong to put more than 3 in a woman at a time. I donít care how expensive it is to keep going back and doing it again. But thatís the price people should pay to have a healthy baby. (in this type of situation)

And I am pro-choice, but this is a lose-lose situation IMO If they end up having 6 or 7 successful implantations its either going to cost the child when it is born its health and if they do end up reducing the amount of pregnancies, at some point the child will know that others had to die so they could live. Not to mention the mothers feelings on having to have an abortion while trying to keep a pregnancy. Putting too many in is just a failure waiting to happen. In most cases anyway.

For me though, it wouldn't be a choice, because if I was having that hard of a time getting pregnant, I would just adopt. But that is just for me, I know other people have different feelings.
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June 17th, 2007, 02:44 PM
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I honestly think itís wrong to put more than 3 in a woman at a time. I donít care how expensive it is to keep going back and doing it again. But thatís the price people should pay to have a healthy baby. (in this type of situation)[/b]
I agree. My SIL's SIL (follow that?) went through IVF and had 6 transfered, and she said if it was any more than 2 that implanted she'd reduce down to 2. I was SO upset when I heard that. (our families are fairly close) She only had one take, thank God, but I was upset that she would transplant so many.

Also so many fertility drugs increase chances of MANY MANY eggs expelling at once. Docs and patients get anxious and take large quantities and instead of it stimulating the follicule to expell one or two, it'll expell like 10. So risky!
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I honestly think it’s wrong to put more than 3 in a woman at a time. I don’t care how expensive it is to keep going back and doing it again. But that’s the price people should pay to have a healthy baby. (in this type of situation)

And I am pro-choice, but this is a lose-lose situation IMO If they end up having 6 or 7 successful implantations its either going to cost the child when it is born its health and if they do end up reducing the amount of pregnancies, at some point the child will know that others had to die so they could live. Not to mention the mothers feelings on having to have an abortion while trying to keep a pregnancy. Putting too many in is just a failure waiting to happen. In most cases anyway.

For me though, it wouldn't be a choice, because if I was having that hard of a time getting pregnant, I would just adopt. But that is just for me, I know other people have different feelings.[/b]
Ditto, ditto, ditto!!! (except for the prochoice part, hehe )
I just don't think people should gamble with their childrens' lives and health for their own happiness.
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I ditto Chloe and Beth, and everyone else who said they couldn't do it. It just wouldn't be an option for me. I'd be pretty peeved at my doctor for allowing so many embryos to be implanted in the first place, though.[/b]
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I am a very tiny woman. I'm under five feet tall and weigh about 100 lbs. Before I was pregnant I was 95 lbs. Being pregnant actually took a big toll on my body... and that was just with one baby. If I found out I was pregnant with sextuplets... selective reduction would definitely be a consideration. Would I actually be able to do it? I dont know, as I'm not in that position.... but it would be a consideration.

Now, if I was pregnant with twins, triplets, or even quads... I'd definitely keep them all.

I know that I'm probably in the minority with my opinion here... *shrugs* oh well, lol. It's just how I feel.
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In light of the recent sextuplet births the debate about selective reduction has been on my mind. I am for the most part pro-life, but I go back and forth on selective reduction. What do you ladies think? What would you do?[/b]
I think I'm really pro-choice. I would defend a women's right to have choice to this medical procedure. That doesn't mean I agree with all medically induced methods of TTC, including IVF. (Yes, I would defend that choice whole heartly but it's not something I would choose.) So if I did have this procedure done and had six fetuses.. the likelyhood of all them surviving is low. They would live if the medically community put them in plastic bubbles, filled them with tubes and had machines do the work while they developed. So I guess if I was pro-life I could see why I wouldn't get the selective reduction done. (It's not our decision in pro-life cases, right?) So as a pro-choice person, I would likely get the reduction done. Rather than lose them all or have four with major health issues, I would just have two healthier ones if possible..

Honestly, I would never do this.
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June 18th, 2007, 08:22 PM
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From what I've read, there should be no such thing as 'selective reduction,' because no OB/GYN or fertility specialists should ALLOW a woman to be implanted with more than 3 embryos. We are so advanced these days in fertility, that there is no reason to be implanted with more than three. Therefore, families should not even be faced with this decision if they never get pregnant with more than three. These were opinions I read in the newspaper this weekend, quoting several fertility specialists who commented on the case in Minnesota where a woman who gave birth to sextuplets and 3 have since died.

Take away the situation, and therefore take away the need to even consider reduction. To me that's simple.
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