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March 27th, 2008, 09:24 AM
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I'm in the opinion that there are more than just pro-life and pro-choice. I've been reading and posting in some of the topics, and I see that many people are closed minded on the definitions. There are exceptions to most rules, and I've listed some of them below along with examples and longer explanations.


Pro-life - people who value the viable life of an unborn baby. They often will agree with some types of abortion for certain reasons, but not for birth control reasons. Adoption is their second suggestion after keeping the baby being the first.

Anti-abortion- people who are against ANY type of abortion procedure. They believe that nature should take it's course, no matter the risk. These people (and they do exist I know a few) believe that a d&c or d&e for m/c should be outlawed as nature should be taking its course, and that eptopic pregnancies should be allowed to rupture and the fetus die before surgery be performed. Their basic idea is a fetus leaves the body via C-section or vaginal birth at all costs.

Pro-Term- these people do not believe in abortion during term for any reason. They believe every pregnancy should be carried to term unless the body naturally aborts and m/c's or goes into labor. There are two lines of these people, some will agree with inducing a child who's pass inutero, others believe the body should be allowed to go on naturally and go into labor.

Anti-choice- people who believe that we do not have control over what happens to our bodies when talking about another being. These people are also against infant baptism, forcing religion on children, infant ear piercing and circumcision. They believe that it is a child's right to choose what happens to them after birth, and their basic needs should be taken care of, they should be loved, but not influenced.

Pro-choice - people who believe that we should be allowed to exercise our rights to choose what happens to our body. They do not necessarily agree with abortion, but don't agree with taking away the rights of a woman.

Pro-abortion - these people believe in abortion for any reason at anytime. They are the extreme of the pro-choicers, and will press abortion on anyone they do not believe worthy of having a baby, at any time in a pregnancy. Many do not believe in teen pregnancy, or a child being born into a non stable environment.


If I'm leaving any out that you feel may be important, let me know and I will add it.

Look at these definitions, and now, which one are you?

I am still pro-choice. I believe that a woman should have the rights to control what happens to her body... to a point. I believe there should be strict laws surrounding abortion, and that they shouldn't just be accessible to someone walking in off of the street. I think doctor approved elective procedures should be available up until 12 weeks (u/s measuring date, not LMP). Procedures performed between 12 and 22 are for medical reasons (whether it be fetal or maternal) only. After 22 weeks, the only reason the life of the fetus should be ended would be because it is going to die. Maternal reasons can result in an induction.

If the woman finds out too late for elective abortion and does not qualify for medical reasons. There should be an adoption service that will provide medical care and financial assistance to women who agree to give up the baby when it can be induced safely. I do not believe babies should be sold, but if people are willing to pay big bucks to adopt a child, if a woman would be willing to carry her unwanted child to term for that family, then maybe some of that money should go to her. I know many people who would love to give the $20 000 they're paying for a child from China to an agency to adopt a Canadian/US baby, they'd willingly give half that to a woman for her child.

But just because I don't believe in a free for all abortion, doesn't mean I will condemn someone for having one.



I've had an abortion. I've gone through the procedure. I had medical reasons for what I did, but I still didn't want to let nature take its course. Partly because I'm a coward, partly because I know I'm not strong enough to go through with a pregnancy knowing part of what I have inside of me is already dead. Two babies, one sac, one dead the other dying. So I went through with it to ease the suffering on everyone. To anyone who says abortion is the easy way out, that's not always the case. I suffer for my decision, I long that things could be different. Today I should be celebrating the 2nd birthday of my children, and I'm not because they weren't healthy. But regardless, I have to live with the knowledge that one of them still had a heart beat when they were taken from my body at just under 9 weeks. I can't see a dentist because the suction sound and that of a drill cause me to freak out and have panic attacks. I can't drink from a clear plastic straw because I know how the procedure was done. I live with the knowledge of what I did. I wouldn't change anything, because I know what my body could have gone through physically, and the procedure was going to be easier. However, it is not mentally easier at all.
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March 27th, 2008, 11:58 AM
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i guess somewhere between pro-life and anti-choice. i definitely value the lives of the unborn, and do agree that in some cases, abortion is necessary, but rarely. i guess i'm sort of anti-choice in that i also don't believe in infant ear piercing or circ, or forcing our children into a religion, but that it's our duty to influence our children. (really, how canwe help it? we're there, they're watching, even attempting to be non-influential IS influential, yk?).
ideally, we could create a culture in which an abortion would never be needed except for medical reasons, but since that's highly unlikely to happen, the above guidelines seem reasonable to me. i'm also a realist.
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March 27th, 2008, 01:04 PM
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I seem to be somewhere between pro-life and pro-choice. For example, in your particular case, I completely agree with your choice, at least form the details you give.
What I don't believe is that abortion is an appropiate choice simply because a baby is "inconvinient". I have absolute respect for an unborn- or as I call it a "potential"- life and I believe that, barring extreme circumstances, that potential life should have the opportunity to develop. I don't believe that even if it involves our own bodies (as women), we cannot judge what life deserves that chance and what life is better off not existing. IMHO, that's G-d's job, not ours.
But, as I said, I'm a realist. And my position of having abortion legal and available has more to do with that than with my moral/philosophical stance on it. Morally speaking, I'd love it if abortions weren't performed for any other reason that strictly medical. But I know that's utopic, it won't happen. And since I'm not about to set on a quest to change the world, I have to embrace a position that both agrees with my moral ideas, but it's still compatible with real life.

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March 27th, 2008, 08:48 PM
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I seem to be somewhere between pro-life and pro-choice. For example, in your particular case, I completely agree with your choice, at least form the details you give.
What I don't believe is that abortion is an appropiate choice simply because a baby is "inconvinient". I have absolute respect for an unborn- or as I call it a "potential"- life and I believe that, barring extreme circumstances, that potential life should have the opportunity to develop. I don't believe that even if it involves our own bodies (as women), we cannot judge what life deserves that chance and what life is better off not existing. IMHO, that's G-d's job, not ours.
But, as I said, I'm a realist. And my position of having abortion legal and available has more to do with that than with my moral/philosophical stance on it. Morally speaking, I'd love it if abortions weren't performed for any other reason that strictly medical. But I know that's utopic, it won't happen. And since I'm not about to set on a quest to change the world, I have to embrace a position that both agrees with my moral ideas, but it's still compatible with real life.

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I have to ditto you here. Legally, I'm pro-choice, but morally, I'm more pro-life.
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I have to ditto you here. Legally, I'm pro-choice, but morally, I'm more pro-life.[/b]
I would have to agree with this stance. I would prefer no one have an abortion ever. But...I don't want that right to be taken away from people.
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according to those definitions, im between pro-choice and pro-abortion.. im not against abortions and i do believe any woman should be able to get them, at any time for any reason.. but i wont try to push someone i dont think is "worthy" of having a baby into getting an abortion..
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May 6th, 2008, 05:02 AM
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I don't normally get involved in topics such as this but wanted to throw my two cents in.

I am pro-life. I believe that the fetus is living at the point of conception and I could not and would not abort for any reason. I do not think it should be used as a form of birth control. Everyone knows what can happen when you have sex so you should be responsible for your actions.
I do not and will not hold it against others if they choose to do it but for me it is not an option. I do realize that there are certain situations that may warrant an abortion and I am ok with that.

As an example, I heard on the news the other day about a 10 yr old who was raped and gave birth to the child. I do not think she should have had the baby. Rape is traumatic enough on an adult let alone a child and then add pregnancy and all that goes with it on top of that.
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I guess I am pro life. I believe in certain circumstances it should be allowed. But not as a form of birth control.
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May 24th, 2008, 09:53 AM
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Strongly pro-choice. I have assisted women who had to terminated at 25-28weeks. Each time it was done b/c the fetus had conditions in which it was not viable with life. Believe me, each of these women wanted their pregnancies and it wasn't a fly by night decision.
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I am pro-life. I believe that the fetus is living at the point of conception and I could not and would not abort for any reason. I do not think it should be used as a form of birth control. Everyone knows what can happen when you have sex so you should be responsible for your actions.[/b]
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I guess you just cannot catagorise me LOL whats in bold is what i belive ij

Pro-life - people who value the viable life of an unborn baby. They often will agree with some types of abortion for certain reasons, but not for birth control reasons. Adoption is their second suggestion after keeping the baby being the first.

Anti-choice- people who believe that we do not have control over what happens to our bodies when talking about another being. These people are also against infant baptism, forcing religion on children, infant ear piercing and circumcision. They believe that it is a child's right to choose what happens to them after birth, and their basic needs should be taken care of, they should be loved, but not influenced.

Pro-choice - people who believe that we should be allowed to exercise our rights to choose what happens to our body. They do not necessarily agree with abortion, but don't agree with taking away the rights of a woman.

Pro-Term- these people do not believe in abortion during term for any reason. They believe every pregnancy should be carried to term unless the body naturally aborts and m/c's or goes into labor. There are two lines of these people, some will agree with inducing a child who's pass inutero, others believe the body should be allowed to go on naturally and go into labor.
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I fall in the middle somewhere actually. I think that abortion should be regulated a little bit more & not so easily available. I also think that women looking into it should be given the full truth. Including the rather unplesant information of what the procedure does & what a fetus of whatever age actually looks like. From what I have seen, most women are not really given the full spectrum of options when faced with a surprise or unwated pregnancy.

I do agree there are times for medical neccessity that it needs to be done & that those women definitely don't make that decision lightly. I actually do know a woman that uses abortion as birth control. Who knows if she'll actually be able to have kids when she decides she actually wants them. Anyway, I would say I am definitely Pro-Life, but I would never want anyone to carry a pregancy out that could be detrimental to her life or after the baby has alreay passed inutero.
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I am pro-choice. I think that anything after 13-14 weeks should only be aborted if there are fetal abnormalities, rape, incest, domestic abuse or the mother's life is in danger. i don't see how you can be pregnant for 4 months, almost half way through, and then just decide to abort if there's no reason like the ones listed above.
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August 8th, 2008, 07:53 PM
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id say that makes me pro-life, mostly
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I guess I'm the odd one out here...according to this list I'd be pro-term. That being said, I've never been in any kind of situation in which an abortion would be brought up and while I'd like to think that I would never get an abortion for any reason, without being in the situation I can't say that 100%.
And I am not condeming anyone who had an abortion, I am just stating my personal beliefs. I can understand it in cases such as rape, incest, mother's life being in danger (I just personally would choose not to abort for those reasons, but I understand if other people do choose to). I definitely don't agree with it if the baby is just inconvenient or unwanted.
I believe that a baby is a life as soon as it is concieved and therefore you are taking a life by having an abortion.
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I am pro-choice, although I could almost be pro-life.

The only thing that doesn't fit me in the pro-life description is that I would not suggest or recommend adoption to anyone. I also wouldn't suggest abortion, though. The only thing I would suggest is parenting. If they truly can't, or don't wish to, parent their child, then I will support them in whatever decision they make, but to me, parenting is the only "good" choice. But I believe that abortion is the lesser of two evils when it comes to abortion vs. adoption.
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I think you make a really good point in your post. There is such a wide spectrum of beliefs in the abortion debate. It is not so simple a choice as pro-life or pro-choice. Using your definitions, I'd classify myself as pro-choice. I definitely don't think I could ever go through with an abortion myself, but I would not want to take that choice away from another woman. I especially don't think I could take that choice away from a woman who had been raped. I really like your classifications of various abortion stances and think they are much clearer and more specific than to be just for it or against it. A great website to check out regarding being for/against abortion is www.opposingviews.com. It's got some really thought-provoking points from both sides on this issue and many others.
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