[jayepink]

This is my theory of what is happening to me. I know that I have had two chemicals for certain, but I am suspecting that I have had a third. I never had a positive pregnancy test to "prove" a pregnancy this time though. However, since I've been pregnant (not ever to term) I know what pregnancy feels like for *me* and I experienced those symptoms including one that's a bit unique--tooth pain. My chart temps went sky high which is typical for me on a pregnant cycle. I do realize that we can psyche ourselves out to think we're pregnant and even experience seemingly real symptoms, but my period has a few hard, dark clots in it. In the past, there have been way more clots with my losses but we did discover a clotting issue and I have been on BA so I believe this is why there are few clots rather than a lot. During a normal/non-pregnant period, I do not have clots.

I believe I would sound crazy to my doc if I went in and told her all of this, but I want help. I do not just want this to keep happening over and over.

Is there anyone out there that could guide me in what to ask for? Is this an issue where I need to perhaps look into taking progesterone after O when ttc? My ovulation and cycles are very very regular, but I know that does not mean that I am exempt from a deficiency in progesterone. I'm frustrated. I'm sad, but not feeling devastated like before BUT emotionally I know I can't keep doing this. I would like to try and figure out what the problem is. We thought we had it when we discovered the clotting problem, but seems like there is more to it than that.

ETA: just wen to potty and wow lots more clots; guess I've kind of answered my own question but I'll leave this here for comments, suggestions, and to help someone in the future.

My doc and I decided that I would go on Lovenox injections and progesterone after bfp, but since I'm not getting that far I'm going to inquire about trying them right after ovulation. Maybe that will be the answer to my prayers.

[j&jmom]

I think I would go to the doc to have a blood test just to test my numbers to see if I was really pg. I haven't gotten pg since my mc so I'm sorry I don't have any advice, but I wish you the best of luck in getting your little sticky bean

[ohnicole]

I'm sorry that you are having such a frustrating time. Losses are so difficult.

I agree with the pp. I would go get a blood hcg test to confirm a chemical pg. If it is as you suspect, then I think asking about starting progesterone and Lovenox after ovulation is a very reasonable plan.

[jayepink]

I do not think my hcg was ever high to start so I'm doubting that by Monday when the doc's office is open, there would be detectable levels. Also, if there was an implantation issue which I suspect, I do not think there would be hcg as it is my understanding that there must be implantation for there to be hcg.
I am not crazy, I know my body very well so if the hcg test suggestion is an implication that I may be a little off, please know that I am not.

[farasha]

Jay- I don't think that suggestion was implicating that you're off at all - it's merely that doctors tend to recognize documented pregnancies, and so if there was a chance that you might get a number even if it is as low as 4, it would help document that you have that problem and would help get you the treatment sooner. That's all. It's just how a lot of doctors work. My reproductive knowledege isn't fabulous, but I think the increase in progesterone and hcg is what causes symptoms - so there might have been something there on that day you experienced those symptoms. You're right, there may not be anything there by Monday - but it's just a suggestion to keep in mind. Also, I've always been able to pick up low levels of hcg (around 10-20) with the cheapie internet tests, so it might be worth using those early on the cycle to keep track of when you might be able to call the doctor.

I do know of people who had blood clotting disorders and implantation problems. Most of them were either having problems with infertility, or with chemical pregnancies. It takes a little convincing, but I think you might be able to get your doctor to start the medication post ovulation. I do know that for some people, this is what is done. I only took it after a BFP because that's the best I could do, but I also think I had a slightly different blood clotting problem. In case it helps: In order to help keep my blood "thin" post-ovulation and pre-BFP, I took a lot of omega supplements, B12, extra folic acid, baby aspirin, and kept my diet high in walnuts, garlic, and grape juice. I started lovenox the day I thought I might be pregnant and went in for an hcg test that day to prove it (after getting a super faint line on a cheapie test). Also, I already had the drugs in my house so I didn't have to wait for the pharmacy to give it to me.

For you, since your problem may be different, I think it's worth discussing with a doctor or two too. This is precedence of pre-BFP lovenox.

[zkat]

Which clotting disorder do you have?

I agree with Kristin - talk to your doctor about your concerns. Do you have a hematologist? I have multiple cotting disorders with the - homo for the MTHfR A1289C mutation, Protien S and Protien C deficiency. My Hema. has given my the RX for Lovenex to start the day I get a BFP and I am on extra folic acid, B6/B12 and Prenatals with Omega-3's until then. The other interesting thing is he had me quit running. He said it was way to taxing on the system since I was training for a half marathon. Other work outs, including soccer are OK.

Keep us posted and

Kat.

[mafiamom]

i agree with the pp's and just want to add my ~hugs~. so sorry you are going thru this. i hope you get the help you need.

[dreamer10]

I think the other ladies are right...there are lots of things you can do...but I think one of the best things you can do is make sure you find a doc that won't think your crazy...and they are out there. I hear so many stories of women getting frustrated with their docs to end up going out and finding wonderful docs that really truly listen and help. You might want to find a doctor that wants to hear all your concerns, listen to your symptoms and do what needs to be done. My doc has often told me that I am the woman who is pregnant and that he should be listening to me. I love that about him...he knows that he may have the knowledge but I am the patient and he knows how valuable my opinion is.

Good luck and I hope you get things going soon so you can enjoy a wonderful baby soon!

[jayepink]

I want to thank everyone for their responses, and please forgive me for being overly-sensitive. I know that I am in *that place* right now.

Farasha, I found your post to be extremely helpful and it made me feel hopeful. I had no idea that there were additional things I could do with the BA to help thin my blood. Can you please tell me what source of garlic you have used in the past?

Zkat, I have Protein S deficiency and am Hetero C MTHFR.

Joowie, I left my former ob/gyn after my second loss. She just didn't get it. She was a nice lady, but I think she did not have experience with patients and super-early losses. Divinely, the new counselor at my school (I'm a teacher) had been through multiple early losses (and is now happily pregnant 20 weeks) and she highly HIGHLY recommended her doc. The new doc has been nothing short of an answered prayer. As I've spent the weekend fearful of sounding crazy to her,I've thought of how she has interacted with me thus far and I am feeling confident that she will listen to me and not make me feel like an idiot, because that has what she has done so far. She has been aggressive, affirming, encouraging, and genuinely concerned. I know that I can tell her of my recent suspicion and she will give her professional commentary without making me feel foolish. I will make sure to tell her that I have no way to be 100% certain and then I will share my "supporting evidence" with her. I think she'll be open. I hope so. She knows that I am one of those patients who is keenly aware of her own body.

I can't say that this does not leave me disappointed, but I have this crazy peace that my Lord Jesus has me and this confusing season in His hands. He will restore. I just know He will. He always does.

Bless you all. I am praying for the JM ttcal ladies each and everyday. I hope you will do the same for me.

[ohnicole]

I don't think anyone on this board (myself included) would suggest that you don't know your own body or that you are crazy. But most of us have had our own run ins with doctors who will only pay attention to bloodwork and don't spend one minute listening to what we have to say. I am so glad to hear that you have such a great doctor. I hope that your conversation with her about your theory goes really well and that she is able to take steps that will ease your mind. Good luck!

[ldovey83]

I am sorry to hear about your losses.. I hope that you get the answers that you need... HUGS!!