[lindsey2000k]

I am sooooo sorry for a new question everyday. Even though this is the 3rd time each time it happens it feels like the first time. Every loss has its own story along with and how everything happen.

So STILL waiting.. no spotting cramping NOTHING yet. Its really starting to screw with my head thinking OMG could they be wrong?

I was on the loss chat last night and the ladies got on me to call my DR this morning. So I did and the nurse said I should have an appointment with the DR next week if anything just to talk and let him know how I am doing. But I want to ask for another ultrasound to see if he can tell if I am any closer or not (is this even possible?). I think I am going to ask for a couple Betas to see how my levels are dropping (the nurse said I could do this today but then I forgot to get the order for it).
I asked if there is a certain time limit where they say its no longer safe to wait and she said no just keep a close eye on your body and you will know. She said from what she can tell I am so in tune with my body I will know for sure if I get infected. I was able to tell my last 2 babys had passed away with out cramps or bleeding I just knew.


I guess what I am wondering is what the Heck do I ask when I go in? Should I ask what testing they have done and suggest more, but what do I suggest they look for?
I keep being told its just a freak thing and because I already have a kid who I did not take anything to get here they think noting is wrong with me.



OH this was a debate because reading my pills I took last weekend says "Do not take if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant" Internet info I found 1-3 months. The nurse said this medicine is really for ulcer patiance who take this drug long term. She said just a couple small doses like what I had should not effect anyhting with birth defects. She also said they give it to ladies in labor to help speed it up like pitocine and if it was that dangerous they would not be doing that.
So that clears that up.

[MeganMomof5]

I don't have much advice, but I wanted to say NOT to let them tell you everything is fine just because you had a daughter already....I had 4 kids with no problems, then 3 losses in a row, and everything wasn't fine...They tried to tell me the same thing...I'm heading out the door, but I just wanted to say that i'm still praying for you, and I hope you get some answers soon! (((hugs)))

[Erin84]

Ditto Megan, our bodies change, evidenced by the fact that allergies can develop later in life, our metabolisms changing, all kinds of stuff... So def don't just let them tell you it's random. Haven't I not liked your doc's office for some other reason, too? I'm trying to remember... If I were you I'd ask for beta's and/or an ultrasound. That's all I've got really, but **** I hope you get some answers and some closure soon. I'm aggravated that this is all happening, and I'm sorry, but I'm getting really peeved at your doc's office, too.

[ohnicole]

Lindsey, I agree with the other girls. I really think it is important to take charge of your reproductive health. I think it might be worth it at this point to get a second opinion to protect your health during this miscarriage and do what you can to prevent miscarriages in the future. I really hope you're able to get some answers soon. It's not fair that you have to go through all this

[.:Shortcake:.]

I also agree with the other ladies. I would ask them to do testing for your hormone levels as well as clotting disorders. I would also ask them for progesterone as well. You know your body better than they ever will so don't let them tell you any different.

[missy123]

((Hugs)) Lindsey - the girls above said it all.

[luvmykids623]

You've gotten great advice. I agree with asking for clotting panels. My OB kept hinting that my losses were a freak thing because I lost one, had one, lost one, had one, lost one. I went to a cardiologist last week because I made a promise to my mom based on our family history. When I told him my pattern with pregnancies he asked if I'd had clotting panels done. I said no and told him my OB's theory, and he was very concerned. He's sending me to a hematologist to have them done, because he said that if you have a clotting disorder it doesn't only effect pregnancies, it can effect your health period. I think you should get them done so that you can have some answers and to look out for you.

[Cait&AngelAbove]

I agree with the other ladies!

[emsketch]

All of the above. It makes me angry that they are saying because you have one living child that there is not an issue and your losses are just a freak thing. Possibly they are, but I think that is a cop out explaination unless every other issue has been looked at. I would find out exactly what they have tested for.
I hope that you are able to get some answers soon.

[lindsey2000k]

They have not come out and said that because of my daughter its just freak things but I just know thats the answer that most people get unless you push so I just figured that was there thinking as well. This is just what people I talk to tell me.
I LOVE my Dr and he will do what ever tests I ask for and have in the past the thing is I dont know what names to spout out at him.
After my last loss they took like 8 viles of blood and I know they said they were testing me for clotting problem. I was still tecnically pregnant at the time because I did not have my D&C yet so would that make a difference? should I ask they follow my levels down to zero and then do the blood panel again?
When I was just at the DR the nurse pulled up my chart to see what all I had done and there was a list of 6 or 8 things that I could see over her back but I can not remember what they were maybe I will ask for a print out or them to write it down?

If I can come up with a list of tests and names of the tests to take with me monday that would be great. I was also thinking of asking him if maybe a speacialist would help at this point? I don't even know what they would be called or how to find one but maybe he can point me in the right direction.

Once again I do really like this office I just leared to tell them what to do and not sit back and wait. The whole freaking out over wanting a ultrasound was easy once I got there I told them my concern and boom in 5 minutes they had the DR and had me in the ultrasound room. When I call now I just go right to the nurse and she never rushes me off the phone and gets back to me with in a couple hours when she needs to ask the dr something for me.


Another thing I am doing... some people dont belive in it and call it voodoo but I have read on a couple groups this has worked for people. My Chiropractor said to me after my last loss that she thinks I need to do a nutrinial testing with her and she belives that I may have a tyriod problem that is not yet showing up on blood tests (my mom has this problem and they did not find it until her 40's). So she belives if I get on the proper supplement regine that it will help with my chances of it being successful next time.

[dreamer10]

I am so sorry that this whole thing is being drawn out like it is. That must be so hard! The other ladies have a ton of good advice...I would run with all of that. I also read an ariticle here on JM once that talked about "secondary infertility"....where a couple will have a normal happy pregnancy and then go on to struggle with infertility....its acutally, according to the research, more common than couples with infertility from the get go. So I would go ahead and ask your doc where to start as far as testing goes, he/she will know which way to go and where to start....

Good luck!

[lindsey2000k]

Originally Posted by dreamer10

I am so sorry that this whole thing is being drawn out like it is. That must be so hard! The other ladies have a ton of good advice...I would run with all of that. I also read an ariticle here on JM once that talked about "secondary infertility"....where a couple will have a normal happy pregnancy and then go on to struggle with infertility....its acutally, according to the research, more common than couples with infertility from the get go. So I would go ahead and ask your doc where to start as far as testing goes, he/she will know which way to go and where to start....

Good luck!

Stupid Question again
OK isnt infertility where you can not get pregnant on your own? Because that is not my problem 2 of them were opps and the other 2 took 3 monhts or less.
Or is it including if you can not keep a pregnancy?

Would that still matter if I had a loss before my daughter too though?
I had loss, DD, Loss, Loss

[joyguide]

I agree with what your chiropractor suggested - women can often be hyper or hypothyroid and have normal tsh numbers and therefore, show up "normal" on a regular blood panel. It has somethign to do with the T3 and T4 balance, and its not something a regular doctor has been trained to identify. A good endocriniologist could tell, so if your insurance can cover it, you may want to see if you can get in to see one...and at the very least, have your regular doctor do a tsh, T3, T4 and reverse T3 (I think) - and then have those sent over to an endocrinologist and say you want an expert to take a look at them.

And about the voodoo thing...honestly, western medicine is great and all...but the bottom line is that often western medicine treats symptoms, not the root cause of an issue. Identifying any nutritional deficincies or excesses is a great first step towards getting to the root cause...I truly believe that when given the right resources, the body can start to heal itself, and it can't do that when we're not giving it the right fuel.

I hope you find answers soon!!!

[AZsnowflake]

You've gotten great advice that I really have nothing to add to except to say good luck, and you should ask for any and all tests you want to

[TnPhotoMama81]

Originally Posted by lindsey2000k

OH this was a debate because reading my pills I took last weekend says "Do not take if you are pregnant or plan to become pregnant" Internet info I found 1-3 months. The nurse said this medicine is really for ulcer patiance who take this drug long term. She said just a couple small doses like what I had should not effect anyhting with birth defects. She also said they give it to ladies in labor to help speed it up like pitocine and if it was that dangerous they would not be doing that. So that clears that up.

That is exactly what I thought! I am glad she cleared that up for you. That is good to know.

Also, I don't know what exact tests they do or what the blood clotting disorders are (the technical names for them). However at my doctors office they took half of them the day we found out the baby had passed via ultrasound (so a couple weeks ago?). Then we have an appt at a genetics counseling place next week and I THINK they will do the other half of my bloodwork there. They DO have to wait to do some of them after your levels go back down.

I am going to ask that they write down what I was tested for (both times) just so I have it for my files. If I find out soon I will let you know that way you can ask to be tested for the same stuff. I asked if they could copy the paper they had when I had my blood taken a couple of weeks ago but they couldn't because it had their codes on it or something and I guess that is confidential information. I will just have to have them write them down I guess.

[Twoboysmaybemore]

I wanted to chime in as well. I had DS then 6 losses. My OB did run the initial clotting panel after 3 losses and when nothing really raised any red flags she went with the "bad luck" theory due to me having had a successful healthy pregnancy before. It was me that insisted on seeing an RE. The RE ran a more extensive battery of tests and found a couple of things that were possible issues. But even with that information I still went on to have 3 additional losses. So, I tell you that to say this. I think you should ask for a referral to an RE. They are much more knowledgeable in this arena. An OB's primary job is to care for pregnant women. An RE will help diagnose issues and get you on a path to a healthy pregnancy. This way you don't have to know what to ask to be tested for. The RE will know where to start and take care of getting to the bottom of things for you.

It is my understanding that the clotting tests must be done when NOT pregnant. I do think pregnancy can affect the results. I am not 100% on this but I am about 95% sure.

[JessP]

The other ladies know way more about this than me. I haven't had any testing. I hope that you get some answers. I had a friend who has had multiple losses. She had one pregnancy on her own that made it full term. Her miracle because she actually needs a bit of help to get pregnant and stay pregnant.

Praying for you Lindsey.