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March 25th, 2011, 09:14 PM
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I halfheartedly tried to Google this a while back and wasn't very successful, so I thought maybe someone here could help me out. I've read that sperm "hide out" in vaginal "crypts" if the os isn't open when, er, the deposit is made... I've read that sperm can survive on average 3 days, 5 in some cases, and even 7 in pretty much perfect conditions, although that's rare... But I've also read that if sperm are left in the vagina that they'll die within about an hour. Can someone explain this to me?

Also, how long during the fertile window is the os actually open to allow sperm to pass through? I've read that in women who have previously had a vaginal birth, the os is always a little bit open, compared to women who have never vaginally birthed a child. But how long is it actually open-open? And that opening that's present in women who have birthed vaginally, is it enough to allow sperm entrance to the more inside parts, or is it blocked by hostile cervical fluid?

AND... I know on the outside of the cervix, the side that the penis actually goes in, sperm live/move in ejaculate and cervical fluid. But once they get inside the cervix, inside the uterus, and up into the fallopian tubes, what are they swimming in then?

I know that's a lot of questions, but if you know the answers to any of them, please fill me in! I've been wondering this for quite a while now and just can't seem to get it all straight.

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(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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March 25th, 2011, 09:34 PM
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March 25th, 2011, 09:35 PM
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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March 25th, 2011, 10:50 PM
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I have read some about this and hope I can remember it correctly. I don't know about how long the cervical opening is open, just that it opens up around the fertile time because of estrogen.
The vagina is a pretty hostile place for sperm because of the ph level so ideally they get out of there and into the cervix as quickly as possible. Most of the sperm in the ejaculate die there. I haven't heard of crypts in the vagina, only the cervical crypts in the cervix so you may have misheard that. The cervix is a tricky place for the sperm because they can get lost in the crypts and folds of the cervix. Ideally you have fertile mucous to keep them alive while they try to get through there.
If they make it into the uterus it's a bit tough for them too because your leukocytes (cells of your immune system) start hunting down the sperm and killing them. The few that make it through the uterus to the fallopian tubes are really lucky. Apparently only a couple dozen make it there out of the millions and millions of sperm. Once they're in the fallopian tube waiting for the egg they're pretty safe because the fluid there is more friendly to them than in the uterus.

There is a GREAT documentary that covers this all. It's called the Great Sperm Race. You can watch it here The Great Sperm Race
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March 26th, 2011, 12:07 AM
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Perfect, thank you! You're right, as soon as you said cervical crypts I was like, "Yup, that's what it was." I saw the first part of this posted on YouTube and couldn't find anything past 4 mins or something, I'm so glad you linked me to this! Thank you!!

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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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March 26th, 2011, 12:21 AM
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Grrrrrrrrr.......... The video isn't working for me. It'll show me an ad then just sit there forever. I'll try again in the morning.
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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March 26th, 2011, 04:05 AM
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Wow that is so great information Glad you asked this Erin!
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March 26th, 2011, 04:55 AM
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Yeah, that was a very interesting read. I loved the visual I got of antibodies in the uterus hunting down sperm. I pictured them using spears, naturally.
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March 26th, 2011, 05:44 AM
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Thanks for posting this Erin, I have been wondering about that too! I feel so much smarter after reading this
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March 26th, 2011, 06:37 AM
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March 26th, 2011, 09:31 AM
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Ahh...poor DH today. I'm a gatherer of useless (and often quite useful!) biological information, so the poor guy will have to suffer through a lunchtime of "DID YOU KNOW!!?!?!?" and "GUESS WHAT!!". He has no interest in biological stuff, but really, do you think that stops me?

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March 26th, 2011, 11:09 AM
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I couldn't get the video to work either but have you played the sperm race game? Too Funny!

The Great Sperm Race - Exclusive - The Great Sperm Race Game - Channel 4
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March 26th, 2011, 11:19 AM
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video on utube

YouTube - The great sperm race part 1

He has all of the parts on his site.

This is a great video!

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March 26th, 2011, 01:08 PM
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I played the game last night when I couldn't get the video to work. I kept trying until I won, then I went to bed

Thanks for the YouTube link, it worked perfectly! DH and I spent our first hour out of bed watching it this morning
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With us on earth for five short days, with us in our hearts forever.
(Thank you Natasha for this beautiful graphic of Andrew, and to the ladies of the Nov 10 PR who help me in carrying on his memory.)


Jan. 2009: Came off years of BCP and started TTC
March 2010: BFP -- finally!
Oct. 22, 2010: Drew is born, but has to stay in the NICU because of cord complications resulting in oxygen deprivation and brain problems =(
Oct. 27, 2010: I held him in my arms while Daddy, Grandma, Great-Uncle and I sang him to sleep =( Hardest thing I've ever done...
June 14, 2011: Drew's baby brother or sister waved hi to us with a BFP!
June 25, 2011: Natural miscarriage... Can we please catch a break here?
Nov. 2011: 100mg Clomid followed by 2mg Estrogen, Ovidrel trigger, and 200mg progesterone suppositories 2x/day 14 days. BFN.
Dec. 2011: 2nd medicated cycle. BFN.
Jan. 2012: Took a month off to breathe...
Feb. 2012: Same regimen of Clomid and other meds, add IUI. 2 eggs and 8.5 million swimmers. BFN.
March 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-11, follie scan CD 8 showed 6 follies likely to mature. Triggered, IUI on CD 14, 4 million swimmers. BFN.
April 2012: 75 IU Follistim CD 3-10. Scan showed 2 mature follies, 2 almost certain to mature, and two not likely but possible. (All 6 evenly and perfectly spaced out between the left and the right.) Triggered, IUI CD 13 with 5 million swimmers. BFN.
May 2012: 75 IU Follistim starting CD 3. Waiting to O. Timed intercourse. Likely 5 follies to mature.




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