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February 25th, 2013, 08:01 PM
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Hi Ladies,

I had a d&c over 4 months ago, finally had my first cycle in the beginning of this month. The wait to have my first cycle has seemed like forever. Amazingly, it wasn't heavy like I assumed it would be though which was nice. Now that I finally had a cycle I've been hopeful that my body is finally getting back to normal. However, 1 week after my af ended, I had a sudden surge of hormones and I had a million crazy symptoms... extreme fatigue, my bb's hurt so bad just like when I was pg, my gums hurt so bad I couldn't hardly eat for a week and even had 1 day where they bled, I had all kinds of twinges, ovary pains (both sides), menstrual cramps, headache, nausea, I could go on and on. It all happened over night... one day nothing, next day everything under the sun. All of this lasted for a week (just this last week) and then all of a sudden I woke up and my gums were completely fine like it never happened. I still have the headaches, nausea here and there and random ovary pains, twinges and legs & bb's sore, etc. My bbt showed I ovulated on the 10th day of my cycle (according to FF) but then it dropped down again & FF changed & said I didn't O. Now at cycle day 20 I thought I ovulated for sure this time but FF so far hasn't said I did yet. I am now in cycle day 23 and I just don't know what to think. I really doubt there is any chance that I am pg, not that we aren't trying but first of all I just had my af a few weeks ago, my bbt hasn't even officially proved I ovulated & it would be too soon to know or have any symptoms if I really did just O, but now I am not even sure if I did O or if so, when. I'm sure this must just be my body telling me it isn't on track yet... still Today my teeth are hurting (and there is nothing wrong with them) and every day for over a week now I've had to take a nap after work, still having cramps & sore bb's & I wake up sweating most nights. I am so confused & these hormonal changes are driving me nuts. Now idk when I should expect my next af to even know if I would be late or not or if I am just having an annovulatory cycle or what. I know for everyone it is different, but I just wondered if anyone has or is experiencing anything similar to me? I am just at a loss as to what to expect or think at this point. I know the bottom line is, I just have to wait it out and see if af shows up in a week or two but its so frustrating not knowing what is going on. I just want to move on & be able to ttc again and I feel like my body just won't let me. I used to know exactly what was going on with my cycles with bbt charting & now my temps have all shifted to a lower range & I'm still trying to figure out what my new ranges are. Any thoughts or comments are appreciated... or even if you have a situation of your own you would like to share. Thanks for listening...

Crystal

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February 26th, 2013, 06:54 AM
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I am so sorry for your loss - Did you confirm your HCG level was at 0? I have experienced some random nausea and headaches but my HCG still isnt at zero yet and my doctor believes that is the cause. I think after everything you have described I would consult my doctor on the symptoms - I know it can take a while for the body to get back to its new normal so everything is probably fine but it never hurts to check in.

I am sorry you are going through all this and I hope you are able to get it figured out soon! Do you have a link to your chart you are willing to share? Sometimes FF gets a little confused as well. Best of luck to you!!!
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February 26th, 2013, 01:55 PM
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Thank you. I am very sorry for your loss as well. The doctor never confirmed my HCG levels... not when I was pg to confirm & not after my mc or even now. They told me that it wasn't necessary. Although I really would have felt better knowing where it was at and even now so I could be sure it was at 0. A few days before my cycle officially started this month she did check my TSH, FSH & Prolactin levels which were all normal. After the results were in she told me that it doesn't surprise her that I've had a lot of hormonal fluctuations even with those levels being normal. Once my af arrived I figured I should be in the clear for all of the fluctuations I've had for the past 4 months, but instead a week after af was over, the hormonal stuff was 10 times worse than I've ever had since the mc. I haven't contacted the Dr yet, I was kind of hoping everything would just work itself out and get to normal. I can't imagine that my hcg level wouldn't be at 0 by now since it has been so long now. But I guess you never know. Everything I read about d&c's it seems that most people don't ever go past 3 months before finally having their first cycle and in the majority of cases, it shows up after 1 month which is what I was originally told would happen. I've been very nervous that something is wrong, but since af finally showed it was a huge relief. I suppose I'm probably getting ahead of myself because I always had long cycles to begin with so there is still time in this cycle for me to still ovulate, I hope. As of yesterday I thought I probably ovulated finally but now both me & FF are wrong so far... according to my bbt at least. The bad part is, I keep waking up in the middle of the night & not getting good sleep the past couple weeks now so for all I know my bbt chart could even be wrong. BBT charting was always so accurate for me before but now I'm just a hot mess I guess lol. Its just frustrating waiting so long & then thinking its finally going back to normal and so far that doesn't seem like the case at all. I have a clotting disorder also, so I have to take lovonox shots twice a day while ttc and during pregnancy so I have been doing this the entire time while I was pg and this whole 4 months while waiting in limbo for my cycle to start.. and I will be doing this the whole time we ttc so it just makes it that much more frustrating that nothing is happening while my stomach looks like a dart board & all bruised up Thank you for listening to me vent though I guess all I can do is wait and see what happens.

How long has it been for you? Again, I'm really sorry you are going through this also. I really hope you don't have to go through what I have been going through for so long. At least you know your hcg isn't at 0 yet so you can have an idea of why your feeling the way you are feeling. Did you have a d&c or natural mc? Hopefully your doctor will keep checking your levels so you can keep knowing what is going on. Did you have af yet? I only ask because I see that your siggy says your on CD 7, but I didn't think that you could have af if your levels aren't at 0 yet. But I really don't know, that is just my assumption & I'm probably wrong. I do know that if your af hasn't showed up yet & it takes too long for your cycle to finally start they can give you provera to induce a period. So that is something to always keep in mind. I can't have that though because of my clotting disorder, so I had no choice but to wait it out.

Oh, and I wouldn't mind sharing my chart with you, but I've never shared it before so I don't know how to put it on here It pretty much looks like a zig zag overall though. And your right about FF getting confused! It didn't make much sense when it said I ovulated on the day that it predicted because by looking at my chart it was clearly not ovulation. Just when I think there's hope, my temp drops on me again and goes back to a zig zag pattern, ugh. I hope your chart looks a lot better than mine does! I hope your hcg gets down to 0 soon so you can get on track too! It gets very frustrating after several months and nothing is happening. Best of luck to you as well!!
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February 26th, 2013, 02:14 PM
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I lost the baby at 12 weeks and had a D&C on January 11th of this year and I had AF show up about a week ago. I had what was called a molar pregnancy so my case is different than most - my HCG levels are still hanging around due to that and can take up to 6 months to fall to 0 along with several other complications this has caused.

I only asked about your HCG levels because when I called my doc for having several of the symptoms you described she told me the HCG levels were likely the cause - but I am sure that is because mine was the molar pregnancy and I have a blood draw at least once a week.

On FF there is a button beneath your chart that says "share" there are several options of ways to do that once you click it - just in case you want us to take a look!

Having that clotting disorder sounds like a real pain!! I am so sorry you have to have so many shots - that sounds awful!! Fx you get your sticky BFP soon!!!!
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February 26th, 2013, 03:10 PM
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I'm so sorry to hear that I have heard of molar pregnancies before but I don't really know much about it. I will have to look it up. I can't believe it can take up to 6 months! Thats horrible. I'm glad your af showed up though, so hopefully that is a good sign and it won't take quite that long. It would definitely make sense to have those symptoms though if your hcg levels aren't back to 0. That actually had never occurred to me that I could still not be at 0. Although since mine wasn't a molar pregnancy I don't know if it would be the same for me or not. I really hope you don't have to wait that long though!

I was 9 weeks but the baby only measured at 6 weeks. I wanted to try to have a natural mc but they told me because I am on blood thinners (the lovonox shots) it was too risky because I could potentially bleed to death & if I were to be off the blood thinners I could form a clot, so I had no choice but to have a d&c so I could be closely monitored for precautionary reasons. I was told that the good side of a d&c is that everything should go back to normal faster because you don't have to wait for the mc to happen. But try telling my body that lol. My d&c was October 15th. I'm glad they are drawing your blood every week, that is reassuring. I'm sure it's annoying to have to go every week but at least they are watching everything closely! I really hope you don't have to wait much longer & that you don't continue to have the hormone fluctuations for much longer like I have. I've had hot flashes & night sweats and several other things I listed earlier for this entire time. The only thing that really changed for me after my af was the intensity, the constant O type pains & random twinges & the sore gums which was new. But I've had everything else for 4 months but much milder. The night sweats & hot flashes were the worst part for me though until now.

LOL geez, I guess sharing your chart is pretty simple! haha, who'd of thought. I never set up a profile either... shows how much I know about FF. I usually just use it on my phone and don't really get on a regular computer with it. Ok, here it is:

<a href="http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3c9c5f/" style="font-size:smaller;" >
<img src="http://www.fertilityfriend.com/home/3c9c5f//thumb.png" />
<br /> My Ovulation Chart</a>

Hopefully that works, if not let me know. And yes, having a clotting disorder is a serious pain! I am already over taking these shots. And to think, I have another year of this... and thats just hoping I get a BFP soon. Ahhh!

I hope you get on track soon too and we both get our BFP's very soon!!! Fx!
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February 26th, 2013, 04:07 PM
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FYI I replied to you a little while ago and put my chart in there too. But it said that my post had to be checked by a moderator first before it will post. I can't imagine that I put anything in there that should need checked unless that's what happens when you try to post your bbt chart? Or I didn't use the right link? idk but eventually it will post hopefully
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February 26th, 2013, 07:20 PM
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First of all, I can't believe my original reply didn't post yet. I can't find a way to retreive what I had wrote either. So if it doesn't post soon, I will just re-write it and hope I don't have to have it reviewed first again. Anyway, after thinking about what you told me about the hcg levels, I did some googling. I think my biggest problem is not understanding or knowing what is going on with my body & I hate not knowing what is going on. So...after researching it seems that it could be possible to have something similar to what is going on with you in regards to the hcg hormone still in your system & having the hormone symptoms as well. For my situation it could happen if there is still some tissue that they didn't get out when they did the d&c. I read some random posts on google about women who were having the same situation as me for months & it turned out that there was still some tissue left inside or "products of conception" technically speaking. They ended up having a hysteroscopy to remove the rest & then their hcg levels returned to normal immediately & one girl said she conceived 2 months later! So after reading that, I gave it some thought. I am really wondering if what could be going on with me is something similar to that? I mean, who knows really.. but it could definitely make sense to me. TMI but the af I just had did have some clots with one that was larger than I would ever expect. I blew that off because it was my first af since August (not counting 2 days of very minor bleeding after the d&c & spotting 3 days after that, which I thought was odd to have such little bleeding after that), so I just assumed that is probably normal since it has been so long. But now after considering all of this and unfortunately not knowing what my hcg levels were/are. I am starting to think that maybe this "af" I just had might have been my body finally removing the last of the tissue on its own. Which could make sense why a week later I have a sudden surge of hormones stronger than everything I've continued to have this whole time. Maybe that was my body trying to get back to normal right away after all of that & now its starting to subside. Maybe my body really is trying to get back to normal now. I would like to think this is the case at least. But if so, it really upsets me that my dr would not check my hcg levels because all of this worry & stress could have been avoided for me if I would have just known what is going on. Another part of it that fits into this picture is that I asked to have the tissue tested, and I waited for 3 months for results, which turned out that they said there wasn't enough tissue to test. Mmm...maybe its because they didn't get it all?! I'm sorry I am so bad about writing so much... its a bad habit of mine. But thank you so much for listening to me and for mentioning your situation & ultimately giving me hope that maybe this could be the situation for me... even if it isn't a guarantee, it still gives me something to wrap my head around that makes sense!

I also googled molar pregnancy to get a better understanding of what you are going through. I wish there was something they could do to speed up the process for you so that you can move on from this. Did they put you on birth control? I read that they usually recommend that for 6 months before ttc again. I know you also mentioned other complications from this as well. I hope the other complications aren't severe ones. I'm sure this is frustrating for you just as it has been for me. I really hope that you can get past this soon, physically and emotionally. Hormones definitely don't help us out any as far as that goes Please keep me posted on how you are doing and if you just feel like venting I will be here to listen I have been an emotional roller coaster through all of this and I think the most frustrating is being forced to be patient & wait while having all of these symptoms, emotions, etc going on and all you want to do is move on from this. So even though our situations are different, I can definitely relate & understand how you must be feeling right now. I'm just glad you have a good doctor taking care of you & monitoring you very closely Keep your head up, it will get easier eventually. Thanks again for all of your help and support, I really appreciate it! Keep me posted! And keep an eye out for my previous post if it ever shows up.
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February 27th, 2013, 07:33 AM
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About your chart - I think you have to have so many posts before you are allowed to share a link so that is probably why they checked it out but I was able to see your chart!! It does seem to be bouncing around a lot. How long did your average cycle used to be? It may be different now after the D&C but I was just curious for a reference point.

I also during this AF have been passing some larger clots than I expected - and when I called the doc - the nurse said that was to be expected as I pass the remaining tissue. So I think maybe you should call up your doc and just tell them what has been going on with you and maybe they will want to check your levels or have some other advice to give. It can be so hard to not have any idea what is going on and you are so right - the hormone swings do not make it easier!

Thank you so much for all your support!!! I am here anytime you want to vent as well. Feel free to write as much as you need no worries!!
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February 27th, 2013, 05:42 PM
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Thank you! Yeah my chart is a mess! It has been insane for the past 4 months now. My average cycles are roughly 32 days, give or take. At the longest its been 38 days and shortest about 29 days. But the average & most often is 32. My temps were always what I considered on the lower side, but since the d&c they have hit even lower temps and I rarely ever hit what I use to consider my high temps. My coverline use to always be about 97.2, my O day always was 96.8 (as lowest temp ever & only ever on my O day) and my after O temps usually stayed around 97.5-97.9 & sometimes down to 97.3 at the lowest. Even when I was pg I stayed around 97.9-98.0, maybe hitting 98.4 at its highest (I didn't continue temping tho, just in the beginning & I knew right away I was pg). Now since the mc, it fluctuates so much but goes down to 96.8 alot and has seemed to be a new "regular" pattern for me ranging from 96.8-97.2 and occasionally hitting 97.5-97.9 (but rare). No sign of O or anything that even resembles a normal anything to me. I can't make sense of it. But I have noticed after my af that it almost seems like it is trying to get back up to my normal range again but very slowly and still drops again. In the past 4 months I've even hit 96.3 several times and I've never got that low before all of this. So I'm hoping it goes back to my norm soon. I've heard after a mc your temp can be at a different range permanently sometimes, so I'm still waiting for something consistent to happen. Today it went back up again so looking at my chart today it does look like I could have O'd the day I thought I did (CD 20) but I'm not getting my hopes up yet & FF doesn't say I did yet either. The way its going, it could just drop again on me tomorrow. I never checked CP or CM so I just started trying recently but I'm not consistent & still not confident that Im charting accurately, so I can't even go by that or know what my patterns should be for that. I need to stop thinking so much about my BBT though, I'm driving myself crazy! lol. But its hard not to because its all I have to go by to hope for something normal to start happening. And I don't want to miss a chance to try to conceive if I get back to normal. Here I go again with my novels lol.

Your right though, I probably should call my dr just to let them know and see what they say. Its good to know that is probably pretty normal. I did expect that I could have some clots since nothing has happened for so long. And I also knew there is always a chance they didn't get everything during the d&c, but I never put two & two together as to that being a possible cause for everything going on lol, duh! haha. If your passing clots too then maybe everything is starting to work its way back to normal, hopefully! The hard part for me about calling my dr is that because of my clotting disorder I am high risk. So I don't get to have one doctor, I have a group of doctors and I never really have one person I can go to. I hate it, but they don't give me any other option But regardless, I can still call and leave a message to the nurse for someone to get back with me about it. I was thinking of asking them to check my levels too, like you said. Although I kinda wonder if now that I passed those clots & had the sudden surge of hormones, that maybe I am about back to 0 if I wasn't before & maybe I should just ride this out and see what happens. But I'll ask and see what they say. I sure hope your levels get down quickly. What were you at the last time they checked? Btw I'm glad you got to see my chart! I was worried I didn't post the right link lol. And that makes sense why they had to check my post before it posted... I figured it had to do with the link.
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February 28th, 2013, 07:14 AM
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It can be so hard not to obsess over the BBTs!!! I know exactly what you mean - sometimes it is good to take a step back and try and keep yourself distracted for a little while. It may just take a couple of cycles for your body to get back on track but it really seems like you are headed in the right direction!

That does seem like a pain to have so many doctors! Hopefully because you are seeing a high disk doctor though they will know more information about the types of things you are going through. I hope they have something helpful to say!!!

I had my 5th week beta tests this week and I wont know the results until later today or tomorrow morning. For me everything is just a big waiting game right now. Really keeping my Fx that they are still going down - but we will have to wait and see!

I was glad I got to see your chart too really helps to get a sense of what you are talking about.

Hope the docs are able to help you!! keep me posted!
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March 2nd, 2013, 05:41 PM
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So I am still obsessing about my bbt lol. But the good news is that a couple days ago it finally showed I really did ovulate and I'm actually 8 dpo today Bad news (maybe) is that my bbt really dropped today, so either its not looking good this cycle or maybe its implantation (fx). I can only hope that it goes back up tomorrow. I've still had cramps mostly like ovary pains & low weird cramps and still have been totally exhausted & taking a lot of naps & my bb's hurt. So hopefully that means something but since this is my first real cycle after my mc, I'm not sure what to really expect. It could just be because its the first possibly normal cycle, it could be just pms stuff or if I'm lucky maybe its early pg symptoms But of course I'm trying not to get my hopes up on that. But still... this could be a long week waiting to see if I miss af and try not to test lol. That is, if my temp actually goes up tomorrow.

Did you get your results back yet for your beta tests? I hope you got some good news! I'll keep my fx for you!
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