CIO vs. No Cry Sleep Solution

krsnow · #1 June 9th, 2011, 02:16 PM

As you may remember, my LO is having night waking issues. I am reading the No cry sleep solution book by Pantley, and I'm about half way thru it. Just wondering if anyone else has read this and applied the solutions?

If you have tried CIO, can you post your experience (how much crying, how many days etc.) Or if you have tried any other type of sleep solution I would love to hear it. I also read the entire Weissbluth book.

mrsjl · #2 June 9th, 2011, 03:14 PM

I have been working with Nathan this past week because he was not on any kind of sleep schedule and it was starting to affect everyone. he would only sleep in my bed or on one of these in the living room while we watch tv. I needed him to go to bed at a decent time, in his own bed. I don't mind if he wakes up to eat and then sleeps with us for the rest of the night, but it is nice for him to be safe and sleeping in his own bed for at least half of the night, you know?

anyway, here is what I have been doing:

I do a bed time routine, give him one last feed, and gently lay him in his bed. he usually sits up right away and cries, but I leave the room for a couple of minutes, and then go back in. I give him a hug and a kiss, wipe his face, lay him back down, maybe rub his back for a minute, and then leave. I try to extend the time between going back in each time. this way, he has the security of knowing that I will always come back, etc. I know that he is tired, you can plainly see he is ready for sleep, I know his bum is dry and his belly is full. he isn't uncomfortable or hurt, he just wants to be up with me. the first night was the roughest, but it has been getting easier and easier each night, he gets less upset and goes to sleep sooner.

I don't consider this "crying it out" because I don't just leave him in his bed screaming until he falls asleep, I go in and comfort him but I don't let him out of the room so he knows that it is time for bed but I am still near by.

it has been nice to have the kids on the same routine. they go to bed at the same time and wake up at the same time. we've only been doing this for a week now, so who knows if this will continue to work, if it will get even easier or what.

if I ever have a third baby, we will try to get them on the same schedule as the other two right from the start lol

sorry this was so long, good luck!

Irish_Wristwatch · #3 June 9th, 2011, 03:22 PM

we have a similar routine to Lori. When we put Ross down sometimes he goes down no problem, other nights he will cry a bit. I leave the room for a few minutes, if he doesnt calm i go back in and comfort him for a minute and then leave again, it usually doesnt take more than 10-15 minutes to get him to fall asleep. I dont know if its considered CIO or not but it seems to work well for our family

hilachu · #4 June 9th, 2011, 05:58 PM

im still being bad and using a bottle to get Liam to get to sleep
but there are times when after he's done he wants to play even though hes exhausted
i will let him cio
the first time I did it, after going through issues with us getting him back up and having him stay up an extra hour or two, was terrible he cried for about fifteen minutes
he slowly stopped crying and eventually fell asleep
after that first time he didnt give us any further issues
if we go back in to comfort him it just ends badly and both of us being frustrated

crystaljean81 · #5 June 9th, 2011, 06:52 PM

We don't have a problem with going to sleep and STTN. (Knock on wood!!)
Naps are a different story. Lyla would stand up and scream as soon as we put her down. I found it was worse if we went back in to comfort her. She would just get more worked up. So, I had to make myself wait it out and let her cry. I won't lie, it was NOT FUN!!! For a few days she cried for 30-40 minutes before going to sleep. Her cries would fade in and out and she would nod off. After those first few days, she would cry for 10-15 minutes before going to sleep. Now, after about a week and a half, she just rolls over and closes her eyes. It was very difficult for me to listen to her cry but it only lasted a short while and now naps are no problem. Again, knock on wood.

Hope this helps!!

Oh, also wanted to say that Lyla now has a very scheduled nap/bedtime routine.

She naps everyday from 9:30 (she gets up around 7 now) until 11:30 and again from 3-5. She goes to bed every night at 8:30.

noworries · #6 June 10th, 2011, 07:56 AM

I would definitely try the No Cry Sleep Solution before going to CIO. But, that's just me and I'm not a fan of CIO. I know several people that have used the No Cry Sleep Solution and it has worked very well for them.

mommydiva · #7 June 10th, 2011, 08:36 AM

Never read the book but I am not a book parent/person.

and we don't do CIO but I do let her cry some (maybe 3 mintues) however if she is very overtired and fighting it I will lay her down and walk out on those occasions she has cried/fought it for a good 10-15 minutes. And soothing her at that point just makes it worse.

Luvgreen19 · #8 June 10th, 2011, 10:37 AM

Brendan never had issues with going to sleep, it was sleeping thru the night that was the issue. We tried everything in the No Cry Sleep Solution book, but nothing eliminated the problem after weeks and weeks of trying.
Finally had to let him CIO. It took 5 days and was so heart breaking for me. I had sworn I wouldn't do it, and still feel some guilt over it, but it worked for my baby. It took 5 nights, but he's been STTN for 2 months now and still loves me haha.
So I can't say that I am a believer in CIO, but fortunately, or unfortunately it was the only thing that would work for our family.

mommydiva · #9 June 10th, 2011, 11:14 AM

Yes we have never had problems at night really with DD going to sleep. Its been nap times lately as well as STTN. A lot for her was habit in waking up at night to eat. But I found oh wait she is happy taking the pacifier so I won't feed her this time and OMG she went back to sleep..lol Or it was spitting her pacifier out at night. I stopped getting the pacifier and started letting her self soothe more at night and honestly more times then not she is back to sleep even before I am out of bed and her room is right next to ours. Now the nights like last night where nothing was working I got her up and we rocked for 5-10 minutes and she went right back to sleep. She fussed for a moment but after that I didn't hear from her till 700 am.

amhk · #10 June 10th, 2011, 12:17 PM

Let us know how it works if you try it... I really need help getting Kinley to STTN.

mshah · #11 June 10th, 2011, 05:48 PM

Omair sleeps in his crib directly next to my side of the bed. I have no trouble putting him down at night, but he regularly wakes up in the middle of the night multiple times. When he's been fed, changed, comforted, etc but still wont go back to sleep I've tried having him CIO (I lay in my bed right next to him where he can see me).

It absolutely did not work for us. Maybe I do it wrong, like I'm not supposed to be in the room, I don't know. But, he won't stop...in fact he gets worse and worse until he begins to get violent with himself. So after 3 nights of this I've stopped. It's just terrible. By nature Omair is a very easy-going, happy little guy, but when I watched him become violent towards himself with CIO, I knew it was a very bad route for us to go down.

So, I'm at a loss now. I'll be very interested to see how this alternative method works for you!

hilachu · #12 June 12th, 2011, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by mshah

Omair sleeps in his crib directly next to my side of the bed. I have no trouble putting him down at night, but he regularly wakes up in the middle of the night multiple times. When he's been fed, changed, comforted, etc but still wont go back to sleep I've tried having him CIO (I lay in my bed right next to him where he can see me).

It absolutely did not work for us. Maybe I do it wrong, like I'm not supposed to be in the room, I don't know. But, he won't stop...in fact he gets worse and worse until he begins to get violent with himself. So after 3 nights of this I've stopped. It's just terrible. By nature Omair is a very easy-going, happy little guy, but when I watched him become violent towards himself with CIO, I knew it was a very bad route for us to go down.

So, I'm at a loss now. I'll be very interested to see how this alternative method works for you!

i think when they see you CIO is not going to work
he would have to be in his own room
or it could be thats just not an option for you

krsnow · #13 June 12th, 2011, 08:11 PM

Hi girls, well I have good news, things have improved a lot over the past few days. Joey actually STTN on friday for the first time in forever!! Last night he still woke twice but we were out all day and he was over tired so I expected that. We'll see how it goes tonight.

Just waking during the night is not so horrible for me, but Joey would cry as soon as I put him down. It got to the point where it was taking 2 hrs to get him back to sleep, and I was rocking him for 30 minutes at a time - he would appear to be in a deep sleep and as soon as I started lowering him into the crib he would freak out. I have been following the advice in the book and it is really helping, even when he does wake up it only takes me 5-10 minutes to get him back to sleep in his crib now.

I wasn't against CIO, I gave it a try but I felt like Joey would never stop crying - i let it go on for an hour twice in the same night then I gave up.

If you were thinking about trying this book, i highly recommend it. It may not work for everyone, but it's worth a try, its not a boring read and i got through it pretty quickly.

mrsjl · #14 June 13th, 2011, 07:25 AM

I just fed Nathan, and afterward he was tired but wide awake. I put him in his bed and left the room and he put up a bit of a fuss but nothing extreme, and then he laid down and went to sleep. for the first time EVER he went from being wide awake to asleep in just a few minutes all on his own.

Now that is what I call SUCCESS!