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October 23rd, 2013, 12:27 PM
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Do you ladies get the flu shot while TTC? They are having them at work today but I really didnt want it to throw off O so I went ahead and skipped it until I can ask my doc what she thinks but until then I thought I would see what you ladies thought
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October 23rd, 2013, 01:33 PM
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I wouldn't for 3 reasons- 1) It is not routine to give most vaccines to livestock that are pregnant/about to become pregnant because it can cause them to either not conceive or to abort. The only vaccine you give routinely to pregnant livestock are ones to prevent abortion. (We are not livestock, but we are mammals, and livestock is my area of knowledge.) Reason 2) I believe that vaccines are at the root of the peanut allergy epidemic. Reason 3) A healthy adult has very little to fear from the flu.
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October 23rd, 2013, 01:37 PM
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Personally (and I hope I don't end up eating my words) I don't think it's worth it. Last winter there were so many people who still ended up with the flu despite having a flu shot because it was a different strain of the flu.

I honestly don't know how or if it effects women who are trying to conceive.
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October 23rd, 2013, 02:02 PM
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I don't get the flu shot despite the fact that I am in the target group who NEEDS the protection (low immune/asthmatic/autoimmune disease).

1- Every year I have gotten the flu shot except one I have gotten the strain of flu that I was vaccinated for. I did not get the flu until 8-12 weeks after the shot.

2- Every year I've gotten the flu I have ended up sick right after the shot with flu like symptoms.. why feel like crap twice? 105-106 fevers are nothing to joke about.. and I get them EVERY TIME I get it.

3- I've NEVER had the flu on a year I didn't get the shot.
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October 23rd, 2013, 02:22 PM
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Thanks for your input ladies!! I dont usually get them and now I am even less motivated after you all made it sound so glamorous I got it once in the past that I remember and it did make me pretty sick. . .
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October 23rd, 2013, 02:29 PM
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Lurking still (because I can't leave you girls!!!) and had to jump in on this one.

I spoke to my doctor about this because I was TTC right when the new flu shot came out.

My doctor said there is no problem with women who are TTC or who ARE pregnant getting the flu shot.

Blaundee please don't take offense but #1 and #3 in your post are not factually correct. #1 It is recommended that women who are pregnant DO get the flu vaccine because getting the flu when you are pregnant is dangerous for both you and baby. It can lead to a host of other illnesses and problem. It's the same argument with taking antibiotics while you are pregnant and have an infection. Women do routinely get vaccines during pregnancy for a variety of reasons. Vaccines that are safe to take during pregnancy do NOT CAUSE abortions!!

#3 "Healthy" people get the flu all the time. "Healthy" is a misnomer and highly subjective.

Of course it's everyone's prerogative whether they get the flu shot or not. Or any vaccine for that matter. And like Ashley said, it doesn't protect against every strain. It can't possibly. And it doesn't cause you to get the flu, but some people have an immunoresponse that causes you to feel crappy (b/c of the antibodies).

A very good chart from March of Dimes so that everyone can be empowered to make their own decisions: Vaccinations during pregnancy | March of Dimes

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October 23rd, 2013, 02:51 PM
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Thanks Em!! That is a great link

My doc office just called me back - they are suggesting I not get the shot right around O time. The nurse did say they do suggest the flu shot for me in general but that I should wait for now and to call back about it if AF shows. So that is my plan for now.

Thanks everyone for your thoughts
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October 24th, 2013, 09:07 AM
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Blaundee please don't take offense but #1 and #3 in your post are not factually correct. #1 It is recommended that women who are pregnant DO get the flu vaccine because getting the flu when you are pregnant is dangerous for both you and baby. It can lead to a host of other illnesses and problem. It's the same argument with taking antibiotics while you are pregnant and have an infection. Women do routinely get vaccines during pregnancy for a variety of reasons. Vaccines that are safe to take during pregnancy do NOT CAUSE abortions!!

#3 "Healthy" people get the flu all the time. "Healthy" is a misnomer and highly subjective.

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No offense taken, but YES, reason #1 is indeed CORRECT. I raise many types of LIVESTOCK and know this to be 100% true in livestock, as I stated. Also, #3 is ALSO TRUE. I did not say healthy adults don't GET the flu, I said they usually have nothing to FEAR, as in dying from it, like elderly & ill adults do. (I cannot put a smiley face on here, or I would- I am not trying to come across as cranky lol) As for a doctor saying vaccines are fine... each woman is free to choose to believe doctors if they want to. I've known way too many doctors who won't use vaccines on themselves or their families, but will on patients, and will tell them it's all just fine. I've also known some of those same doctors to tell patients that they have had the vaccine, because they were ordered by the clinic to say such! (I'm a former CNA and have NO faith in most medical professionals!)
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October 24th, 2013, 10:12 AM
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Technically vaccine safety during pregnancy is not proven it is assumed. But since there is no real tracking of vaccine related illness or injury, it's very hard to get actual unbiased facts related to them.

So many doctors, who have amazing credentials, are not big believers in vaccinations because of the cloud of secrecy surrounding them.

I'll come out and say it, I don't know if we are vaxing or not. If we do, it will be delayed and selective. The very fact that apnea is a risk in many shots is scary!





Here's a warning from last years Flu Shot:

Quote:
[B]8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C:
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with FLUVIRIN®. It is also not known whether FLUVIRIN® can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity. FLUVIRIN® should be given to a pregnant woman only if clearly needed.
8.3 Nursing Mothers
It is not known whether FLUVIRIN® is excreted in human milk. Because many drugs are excreted in human milk,
(this is listed in all the inserts I've checked)
Quote:
13.1 Carcinogenesis, Mutagenesis, Impairment of Fertility
FLUVIRIN® has not been evaluated for carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or for impairment of fertility.
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/Biologi.../ucm123694.pdf

here's the warnings from the TDaP shot'

Quote:
8.1 Pregnancy
Pregnancy Category C
Animal reproduction studies have not been conducted with INFANRIX. It is also not known whether INFANRIX can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman or can affect reproduction capacity.
http://us.gsk.com/products/assets/us_infanrix.pdf



So, they haven't studied pregnant woman in either, they have no idea what the actual outcomes are, or could be.. but hey... let's go and do it anyway!
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October 24th, 2013, 04:57 PM
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"As with other vaccines, the FDA product labeling for the use of influenza vaccine in pregnancy is on the basis of precaution, and is not based on evidence."
FYI, the progesterone I inject every day (without which I would surely lose my pregnancy), has the same sort of warning.

Summary from the CDC -
CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Q & A: Seasonal Flu Vaccine Safety and Pregnant Women "Pregnant women have a higher risk for serious complications from influenza than non-pregnant women of reproductive age. Influenza vaccine will protect pregnant women, their unborn babies, and protect the baby after birth."

Some peer-reviewed scientific studies (aka real science)

Adverse events in pregnant women followi... [Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI "No unusual patterns of pregnancy complications or fetal outcomes were observed in the VAERS reports of pregnant women after the administration of TIV or LAIV"

Trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine and s... [Obstet Gynecol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI "There was no statistically significant increase in the risk of pregnancy loss in the 4 weeks after seasonal inactivated influenza vaccination."

If anyone has a doctor who doesn't believe in vaccinations, I strongly suggest you find a new doctor.
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October 24th, 2013, 05:33 PM
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"As with other vaccines, the FDA product labeling for the use of influenza vaccine in pregnancy is on the basis of precaution, and is not based on evidence."
FYI, the progesterone I inject every day (without which I would surely lose my pregnancy), has the same sort of warning.

Summary from the CDC -
CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Q & A: Seasonal Flu Vaccine Safety and Pregnant Women "Pregnant women have a higher risk for serious complications from influenza than non-pregnant women of reproductive age. Influenza vaccine will protect pregnant women, their unborn babies, and protect the baby after birth."

Some peer-reviewed scientific studies (aka real science)

Adverse events in pregnant women followi... [Am J Obstet Gynecol. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI "No unusual patterns of pregnancy complications or fetal outcomes were observed in the VAERS reports of pregnant women after the administration of TIV or LAIV"

Trivalent inactivated influenza vaccine and s... [Obstet Gynecol. 2013] - PubMed - NCBI "There was no statistically significant increase in the risk of pregnancy loss in the 4 weeks after seasonal inactivated influenza vaccination."

If anyone has a doctor who doesn't believe in vaccinations, I strongly suggest you find a new doctor.
One of the top bone marrow doctors in the US doesn't believe in Vaccinations.
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Him: MFI low count, low morphology, low motillity
Seeing MFI specialist/RE in 2015. Vitamins started August 2nd
Cycle 1: Clomid cd3-7 ~ bfn
Cycle 2: Clomid cd 3-7 ~ beta negative (< 3)
Cycle 3: Lap on cd 2 - Femara cd 3-7 - Testing Christmas Day
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October 24th, 2013, 06:09 PM
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I would not trust any doctor who didn't believe in one of the greatest medical achievements of modern civilization. Such an attitude would demonstrate a complete disregard for science, which is not something I look for in a doctor. Sorry, but I love science
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Blast transfer 10/13, 4 snowbabies
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