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  #1  
September 16th, 2005, 12:47 PM
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Ok Girls. There's another surplus in ALberta. According to the National Post, 3/4 of Albertans don't want to share it with the rest of Canada.

Your opinions?

My Opinon- I think the figure is screwed up from the start. Albertans are alienated from Canada because the Federal gov't keeps wasting our money. If the feds didn't decide on the money in question, I think more Albertans would want to share the money more.
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September 16th, 2005, 01:13 PM
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I don't want to share.

Alberta gets a lot of its money from the oil that is here.

And really, if we have the funds, we should take care of our own first, our schools, our healthcare, etc. If all was perfect here then it would be different, but we lack in many areas now...
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September 16th, 2005, 01:20 PM
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I agree. I guess the other part of that survey concluded that most Canadian think we should share it. A huge misconception from Ottawa is that all here is roses. It's not at all. I think I'm more concerned about a new Federal tax for oil & gas industries - so that Cdn's can get that money...
Our roads need upgrades. All the major municipalities in Alberta are screaming for more money for infrastructure... Why can't it go there first?
I heard the Eastern provinces get a "culture" money and we don't. How come our Art's and Culture has to suffer? (Actually we didn't even really celebrate our own 100th Birthday!)
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September 16th, 2005, 04:13 PM
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where East are you talking about???
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September 16th, 2005, 04:46 PM
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Originally posted by PIXIEDUST@Sep 16 2005, 04:13 PM
where East are you talking about???
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(East, eh?)

the one that gets the Rolling Stones in for a concert for SARS... the one that promotes outdoor concerts... the one that promotes french culture...
do you know which one I'm referring to?
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September 16th, 2005, 05:53 PM
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I'm in BC and I DON'T think AB should share the surplus with the other provinces. They earned, they keep it. I would be the same if BC had a surplus - keep it here where it was generated. What is the incentive for a province to cost cut etc if any surplus generated has to be shared with other provinces. If provinces had to share surpluses, why have any separation between federal and provincial at all?
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September 16th, 2005, 07:51 PM
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where East are you talking about???
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(East, eh?)

the one that gets the Rolling Stones in for a concert for SARS... the one that promotes outdoor concerts... the one that promotes french culture...
do you know which one I'm referring to?
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hmmm could you clarify it for me???

I live in a province that promotes french culture;and out door concerts..nopt the SRS one but we did have the stones
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September 17th, 2005, 09:32 AM
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I know that Ontario takes much of our taxes and funds outdoor concerts... Sorry Hon, I don't mean to imply every Atlantic Province get cultural money, athough I know they need more help with other projects.
(We have many coastal people come here for jobs - so my information is second-hand. With new projects like off-shore rigs, I think they'll be doing much better - financial. Fishing sounds like it's a huge issue because the Cdn gov't cant' stop people from other countries to stop fishing our sources. I don't know if this is more what your looking for from me? I don't know how to answer your question. Do you want to elobrate?)
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September 17th, 2005, 09:40 AM
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Originally posted by mamahubb@Sep 16 2005, 05:53 PM
I'm in BC and I DON'T think AB should share the surplus with the other provinces.* They earned, they keep it.* I would be the same if BC had a surplus - keep it here where it was generated.* What is the incentive for a province to cost cut etc if any surplus generated has to be shared with other provinces.* If provinces had to share surpluses, why have any separation between federal and provincial at all?
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Hey Thanks!! We had, in the early eighties, a Federal program/tax that killed the oil economy here. I mean, it ended. It was called the NEP - National Energy Program. It took our province a lot of years to rebuild. I think ever since, with the combinded Federal sacandals, Albertan's are wary of Federal Gov't. and a scewed, national newspaper survey! If no one here (yet) is supporting the results of this survey, then it must not be true or complete?

Edit - Or my account!!!
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September 17th, 2005, 03:30 PM
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. According to the National Post, 3/4 of Albertans don't want to share it with the rest of Canada.[/b]
I disagree with this, how many people do you think they really polled. The gov't officials in Alberta were saying that 3/4 of Albertans didn't want gay marriage either. They really like this 3/4 "number" I highly doubt this number is reflective of anything.

Personally I think they should share it, if they don't want the Federal gov't to get it, take a portion and divide it among the other 9 provinces and 3 territories and call it a gift.

The reason why I think they should share it is that the Alberta gov't hasn't done a ######ed thing to reduce the Alberta debt. The only reason they have had surplus' is because the price of oil keeps going up so the province is making more money. If the oil hadn't gone up the province would be in debt(like every other province) just like it was a few years ago.

It isn't going to be that long until Albertans can no longer count on the price of oil to keep thier wallets padded. Then what?

The current Albertan gov't is running this province into a downward economy and so many Albertans are too happy spending the money they're getting to notice it. All a person has to do is look to the south to see this. Everything the AB gov't is trying to do(and has already done) is exactly what is happening in the USA and they're in a recession.
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September 18th, 2005, 07:22 PM
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Most provinces have their own 'riches' so to speak. I don't think Alberta should share, don't think Newfoundland should share either...Toronto, Montreal, keep your tourism bucks, NWT-keep your diamonds too.
The problem is that there is provinces and terroitories that don't have as much. It would be nice to have a balance in there....We live in such a socialist country so we feel compelled to share, but may feel bad that we don't want to share....whether we admit it or not.
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September 19th, 2005, 10:24 AM
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very cool girls!! I agree every province has their own riches and your right about the compelling need to share.

Natural Blessings - I'm glad we're on the same page about the survey/polling, etc.
(BTW- Alberta does have surplus' that expediated the time it would take to get out of debt, but they also had A TON of cuts - to highways, teachers, hospital, social programs, etc.)
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September 22nd, 2005, 02:37 PM
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(BTW- Alberta does have surplus' that expediated the time it would take to get out of debt, but they also had A TON of cuts - to highways, teachers, hospital, social programs, etc.)[/b]
Any cuts they did make were not necessary to get out of debt. The price was rising before the cuts were made. The children are the ones who will be paying for the Klein gov't in 20years.
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September 22nd, 2005, 04:09 PM
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Well I can't disagree with you there! I'm sure the teachers are pretty mad they had to take a pay cut so Klein could get out of debt faster, when the reality is their pay means more than a couple of months of getting out of debt sooner.

You think the children are suffering, try the seniors!
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September 22nd, 2005, 04:40 PM
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I think it's quite a well known fact that 3/4 or thereabouts of Alberta (I would have thought more) are conservative... it would stand to reason that anyone with a conservative viewpoint would not want to share a surplus and would also be against gay marriage. That's likely where things line up.
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September 22nd, 2005, 04:51 PM
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Originally posted by bright future@Sep 22 2005, 04:40 PM
I think it's quite a well known fact that 3/4 or thereabouts of Alberta (I would have thought more) are conservative... it would stand to reason that anyone with a conservative viewpoint would not want to share a surplus and would also be against gay marriage. That's likely where things line up.
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??? Excuse me? Are you assuming we're all a bunch of red necks out here? Please clarify?
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September 22nd, 2005, 05:00 PM
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Oh Michelle, I really hope you're not offended ... now I wouldn't necessarily use the term redneck (although I have used the term to refer to myself and my neighbours when living in the Okanagan Valley area of BC), but the polls suggest... it would seem... as I said "conservative" would be accurate. PC's have 62 out of 83 available seats in the Legislative Assembly, no?

You would fit right in in Vancouver!
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September 23rd, 2005, 08:24 AM
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It's perspective. Look at this article:
http://www.fairvotecanada.org/phpBB/viewto...rum=6&topic=550
"PCs receive 61 or 73% of legislature seats while receiving 47% of the popular vote "

BTW-No worries! And I agree I should be in Vancouver! (They have the best diving!)

EDIT- Wanted to mention the Transport minister who said Albertans should share has now retracted that statement and claims it's good for all of Canada if Alberta is having surpluses...
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September 23rd, 2005, 11:44 AM
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I think it's quite a well known fact that 3/4 or thereabouts of Alberta (I would have thought more) are conservative... it would stand to reason that anyone with a conservative viewpoint would not want to share a surplus and would also be against gay marriage. That's likely where things line up.[/b]
Actually I'd agree with this based on elections. Both Federal and Provincially Conservates win the ridings in Alberta. Very very few are another party. It may not be 3/4 but it's alot.

How does Alberta keeping the money help the rest of Canada?lol
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