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June 13th, 2012, 09:38 AM
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Is this a principle you are familiar with? Do you agree with it?
I was on another board and got into a discussion with a group of very conservative Christian women about tubal pregnancies. I was trying to explain why taking the drugs to abort the baby is morally wrong but why removing the whole fallopean tube is morally acceptable using the principle of double effect. None of them could see the distinction and saw absolutely nothing wrong with taking the drugs to "disolve" the pregnancy. It really disturbed me and I actually lost some sleep over it. I gave many examples and even looked the principle of double effect up on line to make sure I was explaining it in the clearest possible way.
Although it really bothered me, I am not judging them because I can see how w/o alot of thought and maybe some understanding of philosophical principles it could seem to be the same to directly end the pregnancy vs it being an unintended consequence of removing the fallopean tube.
Just throwing this out there to see if anybody has any thoughts on this of if anybody has been successful in explaining this principle to others.
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June 13th, 2012, 10:00 AM
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I am familiar with it and I certainly agree with it. But I also think it is a difficult principle to understand, let alone explain. It took me awhile to wrap my brain around it! So much depends on your audience though too. If whomever you are speaking to is genuinely interested in understanding the moral difference (even if they may not agree), they'll probably grasp it easier than someone who is not interested in understanding at all. Just do your best and let God do the rest; you can't convince everyone when you would wish to. Let Him do it in His time after you've done your best to speak the truth in love.
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June 13th, 2012, 10:18 AM
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I'm not sure I know about Double Effect, though I mean I knew about what you're saying about the drug no and the tube yes. I wish I knew more though because my mother had a tubal pregnancy when I was 10 months old and sometimes she talks about it in a way where she seems to think she did something wrong in the eyes of the church and I keep telling her that's not true. I even have told her I'm sure the baby was already gone by the time the surgery took place since her tube burst, but she doesn't seem to see it.
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June 13th, 2012, 10:28 AM
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it is true that often the fetus dies before it is even discovered. My sister is a nurse at a Catholic hospital and I know that before removing the tube they attempt to confirm if the fetus is still alive - if they are able to confirm difinitavely that the life has already passed they give the drugs. If they cannot be sure they remove the tube.
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June 13th, 2012, 10:29 AM
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The reason I assumed the baby had passed is because I assume when the tube burst that deprived the baby of it's needs cuz it had to have been disconnected from everything since the tube had burst. And drugs weren't even an option then also, they had to go repair her somehow.
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June 13th, 2012, 10:30 AM
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Yep, this is a tough one. People have such a hard time understanding that the ends do not justify the means. This is why they cannot understand the principle of double effect b/c they only see that the result is the same.
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June 13th, 2012, 11:00 AM
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Shawna, I think you made an excellent point about whether the person is open to trying to understand the principle. I do think that makes a huge difference.
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