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April 29th, 2013, 02:11 PM
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A mother wants Anne Frank removed for being too pornographic.

Mother Wants 'Pornographic' Diary of Anne Frank Pulled from School
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April 29th, 2013, 02:16 PM
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Wow, that is quite the graphic material...hummmm.... not sure that i would really want a young child reading it... but 7th grader should be fine... right?
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April 29th, 2013, 02:22 PM
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While I get that some parts of it can make some people uncomfortable, I think it's an important piece of history for kids to understand. And I think the point of reading it that age is to help kids relate more to history. She is their age and going through something really atrocious. It is so important that we don't allow this to be forgotten so that history never repeats itself. I am all about trying to preserve the innocence of children, but by 7th grade, kids have already had sex Ed and I think a lot of middle schools make condoms available now. If they are not too young to get a condom from a school nurse (something I don't support), then they are old enough to read this book.
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April 29th, 2013, 02:32 PM
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Wow obviously I read the edited version when I was younger cause I don't recall that. I would say in a middle school the kids are aware of sexuality and sex ed. And if the school be it middle or high school should make that decision on whether they want the edited or non edited. My daughter is 2.5 and she knows what her hoohoo is. We have chosen not to make our children ashamed of their body parts by not putting the taboo on it.
Now I would say in elementary schools the edited version is probably better as you never know their could be an 8 year old with advanced reading skills picking up the book. As that's how old I was when I read Anne Franks diary.
But I think to outright ban any book is well a little too conservative for my tastes. I think as parents we should be able to judge if we are OK with our children reading any book. I think censorship belongs inside the home not outside it.
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April 29th, 2013, 03:38 PM
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I'm 100% against banning books and censorship. I feel in 7th grade, the kids, especially the girls, could relate to passages like this, and don't see anything wrong with it. By middle school, kids have had sex ed, and have a general knowledge of genitalia. And sad to say, a lot of middle school kids are already having sex. (My mom's a middle school teacher, and has been invited to baby showers for her students). I think any "positive" place these kids can get any ideas of sex and genitalia should be encouraged and not stifled.
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April 29th, 2013, 05:03 PM
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wow...I guess I read the edited version. Never knew there were different versions of the book. I would have to say that I wouldn't want the unedited version to be read in middle school. I am not for censorship or anything but that is a little graphic for me...even for middle schoolers. If I would have read that in 7th grade it would have made me very uncomfortable. I loved that book and thought it was such a good thing to read for the history but I cannot say I would have felt the same if I had to read things like that at that age.
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April 29th, 2013, 05:05 PM
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The unedited version did not come out until 20 years after Anne Franks father's death. He is the one who edited it.
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April 29th, 2013, 05:09 PM
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I am very anti-book banning, and while this is much more graphic than I remember, I don't think it is necessarily too much for middle schoolers. I feel if parents are upset with the passage in the article, perhaps they should use it as an opportunity to talk to their children about sex/genitalia/etc.
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April 29th, 2013, 05:10 PM
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I am also against censorship and book banning. I remember Jr high health class being far more graphic than that passage. Truth be told, 7th graders are already exposed to this type of thing -Internet, TV, friends....
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April 29th, 2013, 05:13 PM
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I think that although it might have made me uncomfortable I don't think it should be banned. The book also talks about her period which at the age you are in 7th grade is very relatable for these girls. They are learning their bodies just like this girl who suffered so much and lost everything. I don't find it pornographic and now unfortunately this is girl has that mom, I would much rather have an open discussion about these parts of the book with my children than embarrass them further.
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April 29th, 2013, 05:13 PM
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If my son or daughter was mature enough to read the diary of anne frank then I would imagine he or she would be mature enough to handle the details.

I read Angela's Ashes, Anne Frank, and even a Child called it when I was about that age.

I was a bookworm however. Getting Alex to read anything is like pulling teeth.
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April 29th, 2013, 06:01 PM
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I read it when I was 11. My parents were the ones that suggested I read it. When I was 9, we visited Germany and went to a former concentration camp. When I was 10 we went to Amsterdam and went to the Anne Frank house to see exactly where she lived in hiding. Her diary is such a powerful voice and a way that young people can grasp what life was like for certain groups of people during the war. My parents believed that I needed to see the true picture of the Holocaust, not the version that is easier to handle. The book should not be censored and should not be banned.
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April 29th, 2013, 06:13 PM
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I feel parents have a right and a duty to protect their own children from media (books, music, games, websites, all media) that they feel are inappropriate. That's not "censorship"; that's called parenting.

HOWEVER it is not up to this mother to say that since it is inappropriate for her child, it is inappropriate for all middle school students.
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April 29th, 2013, 06:34 PM
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I read The Diary of Anne Frank in 8th grade, but I also read The Color Purple on my own in 6th grade and it was pretty graphic.
I wouldn't want my 7th grader reading some of what I read but it should be the parents responsibility to decide if their child is mature enough or not. I think banning a book is going too far.
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I read this book in 8th grade. I had sex education where they did the little diagram showing all the anatomy of the female sex organs when I was in 7th grade. None of that would have been "new" information to anyone in my class....

Sure, it is a bit more descriptive than a diagram on a projector, but none the less, it is factual. I really don't think there is any benefit to shielding teenagers or preteens from something like this. I think it just leads to bigger problems in the long run. (And already has, IMO)
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April 30th, 2013, 03:31 AM
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I feel parents have a right and a duty to protect their own children from media (books, music, games, websites, all media) that they feel are inappropriate. That's not "censorship"; that's called parenting.

HOWEVER it is not up to this mother to say that since it is inappropriate for her child, it is inappropriate for all middle school students.
I can see your point. If this mom was upset about it, she should have asked for a special project for her child instead of making the assumption that all students can't handle it. I guess what bothers me the most about it though is that if that small passage is all the mother saw in the book, then she missed the whole point of it. The book is seeing optimism and the will to survive through a young girl's eyes during a terrifying time in history. The physical aspects of her growing up is such a small part in the grand scheme of the diary.
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April 30th, 2013, 03:39 AM
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To be fair, I didn't read the article, but as a teacher I"m already well aware of which passages this B probably thinks are offensive. What bothers me most about this kind of thing is that the parents are never concerned about their kids being shocked by mass genocide, racism, or xenophobia. But God forbid, DON'T TALK ABOUT VAGINAS!!!!!!!!!
This sh*t makes me glad I teach seniors. By the time they reach me, they've learned what they should and shouldn't share with their folks so they won't be that kid with the crazy parent complaining to the school.
Not that we read anything super offensive.. But I could see some backwoods, uneducated folks missing the entire point of Brave New World and just seeing orgies.

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April 30th, 2013, 05:32 AM
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I honestly don't think they should ban material like this in middle school. Shoot, when I was 11 or 12 was when I finally learned their was a separate hole for peeing and I was floored! I had to run to the bathroom and have a look for myself. We had sex education starting in 4th grade, although it was based more around our own sex organs and not the act itself. Personally, I just don't feel like hiding things like this from my children. We live in such a sexualized society I feel it's better that they understand what's up with their body and what could potentially happen to it if they don't care for it properly.
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I can see your point. If this mom was upset about it, she should have asked for a special project for her child instead of making the assumption that all students can't handle it. I guess what bothers me the most about it though is that if that small passage is all the mother saw in the book, then she missed the whole point of it. The book is seeing optimism and the will to survive through a young girl's eyes during a terrifying time in history. The physical aspects of her growing up is such a small part in the grand scheme of the diary.
Exactly. The meaning of the book is easily conveyed without intimate descriptions of her genitals. Which is why requesting the edited version is completely reasonable IMO.
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April 30th, 2013, 06:38 AM
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While I don't think this particular passage has any relevance to the message the book is trying to convey I really don't see anything wrong with the passage itself. I think there are probably MANY girls who would read it and have an "OHHH! so THATS what the parts of my vagina are called!" moment. If this was a descriptive sex scene or something of that nature i'd probably have a different opinion but as it stands I think its probably quite informative
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