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I know you were looking at these. I have ordered 24 in a coop and should hopefully have them soon (they are at the hosts house right now). I make small babies, so I'm thinking they aren't going to work for us in the beginning, but I personally may be able to get away with these when he gets bigger to potty training if he follows the same curve as the girls! https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?...4203183&type=1