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March 23rd, 2014, 07:40 PM
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I posted this before and am posting it again. I just reread it and it is reassuring and useful. If you are planning on bfing, please read this.

The Alpha Parent: Timeline of a Breastfed Baby
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March 23rd, 2014, 07:49 PM
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Thank you! I really enjoyed it the first time around and I'll definitely re read it again!
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March 23rd, 2014, 07:52 PM
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This is my third baby, and I have successfully nursed two others. Even so, I started to doubt myself when they told me she lost too much weight (my others I supplemented with a little formula in the beginning). I feel so much better after seeing the L/C and now reading this.
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March 23rd, 2014, 08:32 PM
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That was a very good read, lots of information in there that I had no idea about. Sadly we had to start giving Violet formula on Friday night. Day 4 she was down from 6lb 10 oz to 5 lb 13 oz and a little jaundice (ped said it was on the border of normal and high. My supply should have been coming in at that time, i know the consistency was changing but I had no engorgement at all.

I was drinking a ton of water, taking herbs, eating oatmeal and setting an alarm to nurse every 2 hours. It didn't seem to be helping. by day 6 she had not gained at all. By day 8 she had dropped even more to 5 lb 9 oz and only had 2 small wet diapers in 24 hours and no dirty ones. Nursing was a nightmare she'd latch well for a minute then start screaming. The consultant suggested we take her to the ER if she hadn't had any improvements in wet diapers by morning.

I felt so disappointed but at that point my concern for her over took my feelings of failure. We started supplementing formula and the changes were instant. She was so hungry she picked up so quickly. Within 12 hours she had 5 wet diapers and 2 dirty ones. It's now been 2 days, she's gaining, is more alert, doesn't cry all the time, is calmer, losing her yellow and is wetting frequently. I've been using a pump on myself every 2 hours, I only get about 1/2 oz for each 20 min session, the lactation consultant said at this point I should be making up to 2 oz in that time period. Oh well. I'll continue pumping for a while even if it's only 1/2 an oz every few hours at least I know she's getting something from me.

I hope everyone else here who wants to nurse is able too, I am trying to tell myself there are worse things in the world than formula fed babies and thankfully my husband is being super supportive!
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Great info!
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March 23rd, 2014, 09:03 PM
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Definitely worse things in the world. Hey, if she continued losing, you'd bet your butt that I would supplement. I am feeling good about things, but she lost more than 10% and we have to go in for a weight check. I will be devastated if she hasn't started gaining.
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March 23rd, 2014, 09:07 PM
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That was a very good read, lots of information in there that I had no idea about. Sadly we had to start giving Violet formula on Friday night. Day 4 she was down from 6lb 10 oz to 5 lb 13 oz and a little jaundice (ped said it was on the border of normal and high. My supply should have been coming in at that time, i know the consistency was changing but I had no engorgement at all.

I was drinking a ton of water, taking herbs, eating oatmeal and setting an alarm to nurse every 2 hours. It didn't seem to be helping. by day 6 she had not gained at all. By day 8 she had dropped even more to 5 lb 9 oz and only had 2 small wet diapers in 24 hours and no dirty ones. Nursing was a nightmare she'd latch well for a minute then start screaming. The consultant suggested we take her to the ER if she hadn't had any improvements in wet diapers by morning.

I felt so disappointed but at that point my concern for her over took my feelings of failure. We started supplementing formula and the changes were instant. She was so hungry she picked up so quickly. Within 12 hours she had 5 wet diapers and 2 dirty ones. It's now been 2 days, she's gaining, is more alert, doesn't cry all the time, is calmer, losing her yellow and is wetting frequently. I've been using a pump on myself every 2 hours, I only get about 1/2 oz for each 20 min session, the lactation consultant said at this point I should be making up to 2 oz in that time period. Oh well. I'll continue pumping for a while even if it's only 1/2 an oz every few hours at least I know she's getting something from me.

I hope everyone else here who wants to nurse is able too, I am trying to tell myself there are worse things in the world than formula fed babies and thankfully my husband is being super supportive!
You are right it is definitely not the worst thing in the world being formula fed. I feel like I could've written your post after my 2nd. I was also taking that fenugreek, drinking mothers tea, drinking water, eating oatmeal etc. Not sure what else I could have done. In the end all we want is a healthy baby no matter how they are fed. I am happy that she is finally gaining weight and seems to be a happier baby.
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That was a very good read, lots of information in there that I had no idea about. Sadly we had to start giving Violet formula on Friday night. Day 4 she was down from 6lb 10 oz to 5 lb 13 oz and a little jaundice (ped said it was on the border of normal and high. My supply should have been coming in at that time, i know the consistency was changing but I had no engorgement at all.

I was drinking a ton of water, taking herbs, eating oatmeal and setting an alarm to nurse every 2 hours. It didn't seem to be helping. by day 6 she had not gained at all. By day 8 she had dropped even more to 5 lb 9 oz and only had 2 small wet diapers in 24 hours and no dirty ones. Nursing was a nightmare she'd latch well for a minute then start screaming. The consultant suggested we take her to the ER if she hadn't had any improvements in wet diapers by morning.

I felt so disappointed but at that point my concern for her over took my feelings of failure. We started supplementing formula and the changes were instant. She was so hungry she picked up so quickly. Within 12 hours she had 5 wet diapers and 2 dirty ones. It's now been 2 days, she's gaining, is more alert, doesn't cry all the time, is calmer, losing her yellow and is wetting frequently. I've been using a pump on myself every 2 hours, I only get about 1/2 oz for each 20 min session, the lactation consultant said at this point I should be making up to 2 oz in that time period. Oh well. I'll continue pumping for a while even if it's only 1/2 an oz every few hours at least I know she's getting something from me.

I hope everyone else here who wants to nurse is able too, I am trying to tell myself there are worse things in the world than formula fed babies and thankfully my husband is being super supportive!


I can totally sympathize. My first lost a lot of weight and was still losing weight at 2 weeks old. I supplemented until she finally regained her birth weight at 1 month old. My supply was practically non-existent at 2 weeks postpartum.


Are you nursing her before supplementing? Nurse first, this signals to your body to create milk (even if she doesn't get much), then supplement after, to make sure baby is full - with either formula or pumped milk. And then pump - so if you can get someone else to feed baby from the bottle do that so you can pump asap after nursing. Pumping only without nursing will not stimulate your production as well as nursing - a baby stimulates the breast much better.


Also, don't get hung up on how much you are or are not pumping. Some women just don't pump much, EVER. Also, make sure your flange size is right. I wasn't able to pump adequately until I got a smaller flange - the one that came with my pump was just too big for my smaller nipple/areola. It made a huge difference for me, though I still never pumped much at a time (yet I was able to nurse both my girls for a year each). Many women need bigger flanges.
Often a baby who screams after latching is upset that the milk isn't flowing. They prefer the faster flow of the bottle. If you can self express a bit to get some milk on your nipple first to motivate her, or try to get your milk to let down first (sometimes pumping will help to get the milk flowing) this may help her agitation. My first daughter didn't like how long it took for my milk to let down (and my stress over her weight certainly help my milk let down), and my other daughter actually got upset at how fast my milk came out - sometimes you can't win. LOL.


If you haven't already been to Kellymom.com, I highly recommend it. It really helped me in my early days with my first. But in the grand scheme of things if you go the formula route, there's NOTHING wrong with that. Hugs!!!!
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March 24th, 2014, 09:04 AM
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Agreed about pumping amount. I hardly get anything (and I didn't with my other two). Yet last night Eden peed so much, she soaked my sheets through her clothes and blanket. This is with one or two night changes.
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Just a question, is there anyway to know how much she got from breast if I nurse before feeding her formula? They want her having 2 oz a feeding to help her gain but I am not sure how I am suppose to know how much she is getting from breast which is why I was just pumping. Do I just nurse and then bottle feed until she is ready to stop and not focus so much on the exact amount?
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March 24th, 2014, 12:01 PM
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They make special scales,but you cant really know otherwise. check this out:How might I increase baby’s weight gain? : KellyMom
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Just a mini update. Had to take Eden in because she lost more than 10% of her body weight in the hospital. She has gained 4 oz since sat and the l/c weighed her in the special scale I mentioned. I never get a lot pumping. Not even half an oz total from both sides combined. After nursing she got an oz from one side and half an oz from tge other (she stopped nursing), so really pumping is not a good indicator of what your baby gets. Hoping that reassures you a little.
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March 24th, 2014, 07:29 PM
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Thanks Julie, that is reassuring. I starting nursing again from the breast today, she didn't seem to want to latch on at first but has been doing better as the day goes on.
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This has a lot of helpful info! I was in teArs when ds was around 36-48 hours old because he didn't want to do anything but nurse. Part of this was exhaustion but part was because I felt like I was doing something wrong. Now I know it's completely normal! This also caused my milk to come in later the 3rd day which then made nursing much more enjoyable because I got a couple hours between feedings Also for FTM I suggest using lanolin and gel pads immediately after birth. I didn't use either at first cause it didn't really hurt but by feeding 4 or 5 OW!! Then I'd already started to blister and it was really difficult to heal with the constant nursing. This time I will be applying lanolin and using gel pads from the first latch Even with the blisters by 3 days it felt better and by a week pretty much painless. Those were an incredibly hard 7 days but I was so glad I made it!!
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Yeah, my nips are in really bad shape right now. It isn't fun and I am researching how to heal. It's all because of a bad latch I allowed on our second night when she was fussing and not nursing. Big mistake.
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Just a question, is there anyway to know how much she got from breast if I nurse before feeding her formula? They want her having 2 oz a feeding to help her gain but I am not sure how I am suppose to know how much she is getting from breast which is why I was just pumping. Do I just nurse and then bottle feed until she is ready to stop and not focus so much on the exact amount?


With my DD I nursed her first, on both sides, then gave her a bottle of formula - usually with 2oz in it. At first she'd take all 2oz, but then she started taking less and less. You'll get cues that baby is done usually, if not she may spit up some after because she got more than she can hold. I was so paranoid about my DD not getting enough that I kept nursing on both sides for awhile after she regained her birth weight and I had stopped supplementing, until one day she spit up an ocean of milk - that was the day I realized she probably didn't need both sides anymore and my supply was definitely improved. It's hard when your baby isn't gaining enough and you're constantly paranoid! I feel for you. We used to weigh my DD on our little kitchen meat scale every couple of days to see how she was gaining - seems crazy but it helped us feel better.
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March 26th, 2014, 09:37 AM
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I had to supement both mine at first, ds for a full 5 weeks, dd for just a few days. I get nothing with pumping (well not a lot) which is why I hate it so much. It is hard not knowing how much they are getting when they nurse, but I promise it is WAY more than anyone could get out of a pump! Babies are efficient. Basically what we did was ONLY offer the bottle after nursing and see how much they take, mine just each gradually started taking less till they refused it. ( wonder why, BM tastes like candy, formula so does not! Hate the smell of that stuff! I wouldn't drink it). We also went to a specialist and did the special weigh after nursing each side thing. You have to trust your body, which is so hard in those early weeks I know! Making sure you are eating and drinking the right things yourself is SO important!! Lack of sleep and extra blood loss can both effect supply as well. My midwives and I are looking at how to make sure I don't have to supp at all this time, going to start herbs early and not give a soother at all for the first two weeks. Dd was contending herself with it instead of asking to nurse as often as my body needed I think. Oh, black tea bags (wet) help with soreness. Odd but true
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