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October 7th, 2011, 03:56 PM
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I know I have to be asleep for at least 3 hours before I can take my temp.

But, how much effect does it have if I take it one day after 3 hours, and the next day after five?

I usually take it between 8:30 and 9am, which is 3 hours after DH goes to work and I'm back asleep. It's not common for me to sleep more than 3 hours with out peeing but this morning I did and I got 5 hours before I took my temp.

Will that cause any trouble other than the fact it was a different time than usual? I'm gonna start setting the alarm on my phone, since obviously the ipod alarm didn't do squat to wake me up this morning.

And how can I make a shift in my "time" that I take my temp on my chart with out messing things up? I'm not falling back asleep as easy as I was, so 8:30 is pushing it for 3 hours of sleep, I'd like to push it to 9:30, but I don't know how that'd affect my chart. I'm just afraid with how it's going now, with it dismissing my temps because of the time difference that it's not going to accurately display my ovulation.

Am I making sense? I really want to go out and buy the book now, since I find the website really hard to navigate!
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October 7th, 2011, 04:30 PM
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There is no such thing as a silly question!

With temps, it is seeing the forest through the trees. There are some women that little changes like that make a big difference and others (like me) where temps are regular even without the rules of temping.
As far as the difference between 3 and 5 hours, it shouldn't matter. It is minimum 3 hours. One day it could be 3 and another it could be 9 hours, just as long as it is 3, it is valid.
As far as time changes, that is a hard one. I never had to worry about that messing up my temperatures. The theory is that the more you sleep past your time, your temps are off. Do you sleep for 3 hours before your DH leaves for work? If so, you can take it in the middle of the night with a thermometer that saves the last reading. That is what DH and I did. He would put the thermometer in my mouth and I would pretty much fall asleep with it in my mouth and check the reading later. It just depends on how it works for you.
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October 7th, 2011, 04:56 PM
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No. I'm rarely asleep 3 hours before that. For several reasons. I tend not to go to bed until late cause I can, and when I do go to bed, I'm up to pee every 2 hours thanks to the stupid kidney stone I've got


My temps don't seem to vary a lot in the grand scale of things. It's up right now because I took medication for my kidney stone and that tends to spike it a tad.. but "up" means it was 97.44 this morning and it's 98.12 now.. so it's not a HUGE jump despite being up and awake.

For the heck of it the other night I did take my temp when DH woke me up. It was 97.47, I'd been asleep an hour. When I took it 4 hours later for my actual temp, it was 97.42.
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October 8th, 2011, 06:12 AM
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I've not really noticed a big difference in how much sleep I got before temping, seems like maybe you've noticed the same thing?

If you need to change the time that you temp, I'd recommend waiting until you've confirmed ovulation and are in the infertile time (Phase 3 or whatever your method calls it). Then use your new time as you head into a new cycle. Does that make sense?
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October 8th, 2011, 12:03 PM
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I've not really noticed a big difference in how much sleep I got before temping, seems like maybe you've noticed the same thing?

If you need to change the time that you temp, I'd recommend waiting until you've confirmed ovulation and are in the infertile time (Phase 3 or whatever your method calls it). Then use your new time as you head into a new cycle. Does that make sense?
It does, except I'm not getting the 3 hours sleep in before that time. He used to get up at 5:15, I'd get up, pee, kiss him, go back to bed, wake up at 8:30.

Now He gets up at 5, I get up, pee, kiss him, realize "ah hell I'm awake again", chat for 10 minutes, crawl back in, toss for 5min, grab the ipod for solitare, play two games, fall asleep around 6, wake up at 9 (I rarely sleep more than 3 hours, ever... annoying as heck)

things went ok this morning. I set the alarm for 9, I woke up at 2 minutes to. I had seen the clock hi 5:30, so I knew 8:30 temp was never going to happen. But I did go back to sleep in no time, no tossing. We switched blankets on our beds last night, and I'm sooo much comfier. I crawl in and it's like being swaddled. Love it.

And my temp went down after 3 hrs sleep this morning.I was all bundled in, comfy as heck, and it was 97.2... so I took it 2 hrs later to to see what it'd be, I wasn't as bundled up, and it was 97. 53... grrrr.. at this rate, I'm not going to "ovulate" on my chart! grr.

and since tcoyf does it's little adjustment thing.. my temp comes in at 97.1... but I'm not convinced that's right, mine seems to go DOWN the longer I sleep. ARGH.

eta: I'm starting to second guess my CD1, which could be why my chart seems off to me, since in the past I've always had all the signs to Oing by now. I'd read somewhere that the first day you see red, not pink or brown, is the first day of AF.. but looking at my chart, and my info, I'd never have DTD on CD2 because it'd have been a huge mess... so I'm thinking I counted red spotting, but not actual menses as the first two days of the cycle cause i needed a liner to keep it controlled. I didn't start the "omg af!" until the 29th (CD3).

I need to find a B&N and go get that book.
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October 9th, 2011, 07:28 AM
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From what I understand your temp continues to drop until a certain time of the morning, and then begins to rise. So getting that lowest possible temp isn't really the point- the point is just to get as consistent a temp as possible. I'm not sure you have to actually be *sleeping* those three hours- just in bed. It has been a while, though, since I taught STM, and I'm not familiar at all with TCOYF. Maybe it has completely different rules from what I think I'm remembering.

There are other factors that can cause a variation in temping, too... whether you've had a drink or if you breathe with your mouth open, or even how deep under your tongue you hold your thermometer. Are any of these maybe varying? The temperature of your bedroom and differences in bedding will cause variations also. Maybe try the best you can to keep things consistent and see if that helps normalize your temps. Sounds frustrating- wish I could be more help!
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October 9th, 2011, 12:23 PM
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Well if being in bed for 3 hours is all I need then I'm perfectly ok, since I'm in bed by 2, up at 5.. I'm all snuggled in, just with a book.

We did swap blankets, gave me warmer ones, and my temps went down. rofl. my body is such a mystery. The room is COLD, that's for certain. as for the thermometer, there was a little diagram in my bbt when I got it that showed the best spot for the temp. That spot hurts like a bugger, but I seem to get more accurate temps. (I have a short tongue, and am partially tongue tied, so anything under my tongue causes some pain)


I got the book cost a lot more than I'd like to spend on a book, but I'll have it read before CD1 rolls around again. i'm armed with a note book AND a highlighter. yes, I'm OCD


I adjusted my FF chart (I'm using both so I can have the ticker), to remove the two days I suspect were not AF, so we'll see if they predict my O day as the same day of the month, just different cycle date. My temp did go back up this morning, So we'll see if it continues to climb like it "should" for a CD 14-16 O, which would be the normal for me. I finally noticed some CM today, so that's a positive sign that I probably screwed up my timing of my AF which is leading to me second guessing EVERYTHING.



That's what I get for getting sick and slacking with the pill, a messed up cycle. lol. I'm so glad to be rid of those things... I feel more myself, happier, more energy and my sex drive is returning. I'm sooo Glad DH is getting the snip rather than me going back on anything after we finally have kids.
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My temps were often spiky when I temped cuz of my sleeping with breastfeeding and all and I didn't even take at the same time a lot of days, however, I could always tell an obvious difference between before ovulation and after.
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October 14th, 2011, 11:48 PM
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My temps were often spiky when I temped cuz of my sleeping with breastfeeding and all and I didn't even take at the same time a lot of days, however, I could always tell an obvious difference between before ovulation and after.
I'm not panicked yet. I'm far enough into the book to be seeing what's considered normal and not on a chart. I think that it's just going to be a longer than usual cycle.

My BB's started up yesterday.. super owie. I feel like I've done way too many crunches (but I can poke the muscles and they don't hurt, so it's something deeper)... The BB's are classic me. They usually start up two weeks before the end of a cycle, and the pain's gone soon as AF shows up. So I feel a lot less stressed (hence no new freak out posts lol) because my body is showing me that it does know what it's doing.

The book helps, gives me some reassurance that I am normal, just not like I was used to for the last year due to the pill. Even my CM is looking the way the book says it should.

I've been keeping extra temps too. If I need to pee before the alarm goes off, I take my temp first and write it down. If it's more than half an hour before, I take it again when the alarm goes off. If it's not, I just use that temp and shut the phone down. Most of the time they're less than a tenth of a degree off each other. (this morning for example at 7:30 it was 97.57 and at 8:30 it was 97.56)
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October 15th, 2011, 03:49 PM
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as for the thermometer, there was a little diagram in my bbt when I got it that showed the best spot for the temp. That spot hurts like a bugger, but I seem to get more accurate temps. (I have a short tongue, and am partially tongue tied, so anything under my tongue causes some pain)

The old CCL manual (sympto-thermal) allowed for the use of vaginal or even anal temps if temping under the tongue isn't working. Just FYI.
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October 15th, 2011, 04:05 PM
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yeah mine works for that too... and I considered doing vaginal temps... but my af is so awful that i'd be in trouble if I disturbed that area before I could jump up and run to the bathroom. So under the tongue it is
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