[Natorock]

As you can see from my chart, everything makes sense. But when you look at the Caladar view (I hope you can see that) my fertility times are during my period. In this possible?

The first AF on the chart is breakthrough bleeding from finishing the pill. The second one is a real AF. I don't think I could have ovulated in between the two. At any rate I'm not prego...but this is confusing.

Will FF fix this once I get an O spike this cycle?

[ShawnaCAN]

As you can see from my chart, everything makes sense. But when you look at the Caladar view (I hope you can see that) my fertility times are during my period. In this possible?

The first AF on the chart is breakthrough bleeding from finishing the pill. The second one is a real AF. I don't think I could have ovulated in between the two. At any rate I'm not prego...but this is confusing.

Will FF fix this once I get an O spike this cycle?

[/b]

Calender predictions are STUPID, no matter what. They are not accurate, epsecially during times of transition like coming off the pill. Ignore it.

FF will fix that once you have a mucus and temperature pattern that confirm the likelihood of ovulation.

[NutMeg76]

You need to update your link, the one in the ticker takes me to my chart. I can't really commnet if I can't see the chart. I was cofused for a minute wondering why your ticker said CD 7 and the chart had CD 27...lol.

[Natorock]

It's fixed now...I think.

But now you can't see my Calendar...only the chart.

oh well...

[NutMeg76]

It's fixed now...I think.

But now you can't see my Calendar...only the chart.

oh well...[/b]

I couldn't see your calender either, it took me straight to my chart...lol.

When you marked your period, did you also mark that you had CM? If so it will give you a fertile patch. I sometimes have what looks like EWCM tinged with blood during my period, but I only mark the flow level not the CM. I don't start marking CM until after I am sure it is not from my period.

With that said it is possible to O during your period, especially if you bleed for a long time.

I agree with Shawna though, and personally only go by the chart and don't use the calender.

[Acadia]

I just answered this same question yesterday for Flipper and the explanation is kind of long ... so I hope you don't mind if I copy and paste, and just change some details for you.

It changed because of the info you gave it. If you really want it to go back and just look "normal", just erase the CM data from the days when you know you weren't fertile.

But it doesn't matter what it says on the calendar. It just updates those as you go ... it's not calculating your O date from that. Anytime you put in eggwhite or watery cervical mucus it colors that day green on the calendar, as "potentially fertile". And they are potentially fertile if you have that kind of CM. Just because you know you weren't ovulating, doesn't mean the hormones weren't otherwise right for conception ... obviously they were because you produced fertile cervical mucus.

The green calendar days are ONLY concerned with when you had fertile signs. At a glance you can see "Oh I had three potentially fertile windows." That might mean your body geared up to O twice before it actually did. You can see "Wow! We really need to start BDing on the days when I have fertile CM just in case ... we totally missed the egg because we ignored my fertile signs." Things like that might not be totally apparent on the chart, so they are represented on the calendar in a way that makes it easier to see.

Oh, and it is technically possible to be fertile during your period. If you experience what's called "spontaneous ovulation", for example, a second egg might be released while you're still bleeding. Obviously that's rare and most people wouldn't get pregnant from that, since the egg is only viable for less than a day, but it's possible. Another instance that might happen is, if a woman's cycles are on the short side and she O's early. If she starts getting fertile CM 5 days before O, and she O's on CD 8, that fertile mucus obviously might fall during her period. And sperm can survive a few days. So FF is being "safe", in a way, when it marks ANY time with fertile signs as "potentially fertile".

It will not change the calendar once you actually O. That would be against the whole point of marking those days on the calendar ... they're potentially fertile. Your chart shows when you were actually fertile. If you don't want to see the "potential" windows, just don't look at the calendar, or don't put in CM info. That's all you can do.

[Natorock]

Thanks Ladies... I feel much better now.

[ShawnaCAN]

Acadia,
What is spontaneous ovulation and where did you hear that???

Are you talking about breakthrough bleeding? Breakthrough bleeding occurs in response to high hormone levels, when the body is trying to ovulate. It can be mistaken for menstration - is that what you mean?

IF, in rare cases, ovulation is going to happen twice in a cycle - it will happen within 24 hours of the first ovulation. There are no exceptions to this. It's a complicated hormonal process for ovulation to occur, so that's why follicles can just mature and rupture through the ovary spontaneously - they need that entire process to occur properly in order to bring it about.

It *is* possible for that process to occur without signs because the cervix is not responding to the hormonal signals, but conception is also not possible without the presence of fertile mucus - so that is a medical disorder which requires attention. Breakthrough bleeding might be the only sign that it's happening, but it's not a spontaneous ovulation - the entire hormonal process is occuring as it should, the ovaries are responding, the cervix is not.

[Acadia]

Acadia,
What is spontaneous ovulation and where did you hear that???

Are you talking about breakthrough bleeding? Breakthrough bleeding occurs in response to high hormone levels, when the body is trying to ovulate. It can be mistaken for menstration - is that what you mean?

IF, in rare cases, ovulation is going to happen twice in a cycle - it will happen within 24 hours of the first ovulation. There are no exceptions to this. It's a complicated hormonal process for ovulation to occur, so that's why follicles can just mature and rupture through the ovary spontaneously - they need that entire process to occur properly in order to bring it about.

It *is* possible for that process to occur without signs because the cervix is not responding to the hormonal signals, but conception is also not possible without the presence of fertile mucus - so that is a medical disorder which requires attention. Breakthrough bleeding might be the only sign that it's happening, but it's not a spontaneous ovulation - the entire hormonal process is occuring as it should, the ovaries are responding, the cervix is not.[/b]

I've read about spontaneous ovulation several places ... unfortunately I don't think any of them were online but I'll see if I can find something.

It's supposedly even more rare than another egg being released within the day after the first O. I've only read about it happening when a woman's hormones were incredibly screwy. One example I remember she'd just come off BCP and had various illnesses.

ETA: No, I'm not talking about breakthrough bleeding at all. This woman had already ovulated, was having a normal LP, then ovulated again just after she started bleeding. She was being monitored because of whatever illness she had (darnit I wish I could remember what it was). Of course the hormone process happened more quickly, and the egg wasn't considered viable. But it happened.

Now I just have to find it!

[ShawnaCAN]

Yeah, that would be great - even if not online sources, let me know when you find it so I could have the library order it in for me!

[Acadia]

Yeah, that would be great - even if not online sources, let me know when you find it so I could have the library order it in for me![/b]

Everything I can find online so far is talking about lunar cycles and crap like that. So I'm going to have to find it in my grandfather's medical journals (I really think that's where I read it). He left me a pile of them when he died last year.

I was kind of confused by calling it "spontaneous ovulation" at first, too, because it sounds like it means "random ovulation not associated with hormone progression" or something like that ... which shouldn't be possible. But it actually means more like "ovulation occurring outside the normal fertile time, when one egg has already been released that cycle", which makes a little more sense.

If your library has access to medical journal archives online, maybe you could search it and ask for copies of whatever comes up. But I'll go through the ones I have ... I'm warning you it's a pile though! I'll PM you if I can find it when I have some free time.

[drewbears]

I dont' really even look at the calander part of it.

But since you are just starting with charting and dont' have many charts to look back on FF is probably just guessing or giving a generic forcast.