[deneice2004]

FF moved my O day from CD11 to CD15.

Which should I go by? I tested this morning with FMU at what I think is 10DPO and got a BFN. Yesterday I had a brown discharge with cramping that is totally gone today. Since Saturday the 18th I have had cramping and my right nipple has been sore and achy. I also started feeling nauseaus and lightheaded on Sunday the 26th.

Is it possible to ovulate 5 days after a positive OPK and wet CM? I had my usual O cramps on CD10 but I also had them on CD13. Different from other cramps, these are my O pains.

I also only have a 24-26 day cycle. So if I did not O until CD15 that is not good.

This charting stuff confusses me and adds stress.

Please help ladies!

[way2gomom]

From what I understand (and that's not much!)...

CD 1 was August 8
FF first showed you O'd (with OPK and CM backup) on August 18 at CD 11
FF now changed to show you O'd on August 22 at CD 15
You tested today at what you thought was 10 DPO and received a BFN result

Yesterday I had a brown discharge with cramping that is totally gone today.[/b]

Yesterday would have been 9DPO or 5DPO, which would lead to me to suspect this might have been implantation bleeding. IB can have those symptoms and be seen on the day you expect AF. In either case, it could still be too early to have a high enough level of hCG to be detected on the test, depending on which test you're using.

Since Saturday the 18th I have had cramping and my right nipple has been sore and achy. I also started feeling nauseaus and lightheaded on Sunday the 26th.[/b]

With those symptoms on Aug 18th, it is possible those were indicative of ovulating on the 18th OR preparing to ovulate on the 22nd. Since the symptoms have continued since August 18th, I would be inclined to discredit them and remove them from the equation. If it was ovulatory symptoms, it should have eased up. Since hCG is not released until after the fertilized egg implants, it would be hard to credit those symptoms as indicative of pregnancy since it did not change since the time you ovulated.

Is it possible to ovulate 5 days after a positive OPK and wet CM?[/b]

The luteinizing hormone (LH) surge occurs prior to ovulation. Wet CM occurs prior to EWCM, which is the most fertile. While wet CM is also fertile, it's the EWCM that is your best bet. The clincher, though, is when did the CM become dry again? That should be the day after O. LH surge usually happens 12-24 hours before ovulation, so 5 days is a little strange. However, you should be able to notice LH with the OPK 36 hours or so before ovulation. So are you sure you recorded only the surge?

I had my usual O cramps on CD10 but I also had them on CD13. Different from other cramps, these are my O pains.[/b]

Do non-fraternal twins run in your family? Are you taking fertility medications? I meant to say Do fraternal twins run in your family? 2 eggs = fraternal, 1 egg = identical... I have to remind myself of that! LOL

This charting stuff confusses me and adds stress.[/b]

You are so not joking there!

I hope my answer helps a little, or at least makes sense!

Good luck!

ETA: Correction in bold

[deneice2004]

Thank you so much for your help!!!!!!!! I really appreciate it!!!!!!

From what I understand (and that's not much!)...

CD 1 was August 8
FF first showed you O'd (with OPK and CM backup) on August 18 at CD 11
FF now changed to show you O'd on August 22 at CD 15
You tested today at what you thought was 10 DPO and received a BFN result

Correct. It moved after more temps were entered and I corrected a few things.

Yesterday would have been 9DPO or 5DPO, which would lead to me to suspect this might have been implantation bleeding. IB can have those symptoms and be seen on the day you expect AF. In either case, it could still be too early to have a high enough level of hCG to be detected on the test, depending on which test you're using.

That is what I thought also, but can not find very much info about IB on the web. Just the same ole stuff and most of it was contradicting.

With those symptoms on Aug 18th, it is possible those were indicative of ovulating on the 18th OR preparing to ovulate on the 22nd. Since the symptoms have continued since August 18th, I would be inclined to discredit them and remove them from the equation. If it was ovulatory symptoms, it should have eased up. Since hCG is not released until after the fertilized egg implants, it would be hard to credit those symptoms as indicative of pregnancy since it did not change since the time you ovulated.

Gottcha! They have actually for the most part stopped today. Just the nipple soreness now.

The luteinizing hormone (LH) surge occurs prior to ovulation. Wet CM occurs prior to EWCM, which is the most fertile. While wet CM is also fertile, it's the EWCM that is your best bet. The clincher, though, is when did the CM become dry again? That should be the day after O. LH surge usually happens 12-24 hours before ovulation, so 5 days is a little strange. However, you should be able to notice LH with the OPK 36 hours or so before ovulation. So are you sure you recorded only the surge?

I started testing on CD6 and the lines got gradually darker until the positive on CD10. CD11 was negative. Also, my CM has not dried up at all. Still very creamy.

Do non-fraternal twins run in your family? Are you taking fertility medications?

Took Bravelle (FSH) from CD2-CD5.

[way2gomom]

That is what I thought also, but can not find very much info about IB on the web. Just the same ole stuff and most of it was contradicting.[/b]

I have found different sources, but that's because every person is different! With so many women trying to figure out their bodies and their bodies following different cycles, it's hard to say what is "normal" for everyone when things are never normal!

I started testing on CD6 and the lines got gradually darker until the positive on CD10. CD11 was negative. Also, my CM has not dried up at all. Still very creamy.[/b]

With the for sure positive on CD 10, it is likely you O'd on CD 11. Did you stop the OPKs after that? I'm developing a sneaking suspicion that if you continued the OPKs to CD 14, you might have seen something else.

Took Bravelle (FSH) from CD2-CD5.[/b]

And this is why I've got that sneaking suspicion. Here is some information I gathered that might help explain some of the things you are noticing:

With Bravelle, side effects include breast tenderness, headache, mood changes and tiredness. This might easily be changing what you expect to be seeing for O and for PMS symptoms. This would explain why the tenderness didn't go away after CD 18 until today. You may also be dizzy, which is another effect of the medication.

Did your doctor give you any extra information about when and how to take OPKs and HPTs? It's possible there are additional instructions because of the dosage of your Bravelle.

Here is the kicker on the drug information: Certain fertility treatments increase your chances of having multiple babies, like twins or triplets.

From that, I would say, is it possible you O'd both days?

You could still be expecting an hCG level anywhere from 3-103 according to The Betabase (for single pregnancy), with the median being 12. Depending on what HPT you used, it's very likely that wasn't able to be caught. If you have your average Joe test (not FRER), then you should be able to check in on DPO 13 and have an hCG of 4-575 with the median being 78.

I would suggest that you hold off on conclusions for a little bit longer and test again. Not every day, and definitely with FMU. I know that is the worst part of it all, but I think there is not reason to discount it. Try to relax and have a mental break from TTC for a few days!

Good luck!

[deneice2004]

Yeah, I have taken FSH before. This is my third time with Bravelle. I actually have never had any side effects before except for bloating and some minor abdominal discomfort. I am sure they are different each time though.

I thought I might have ovulated twice but i read through some old posts on this board and most people say it only happens within 24 hours of each other. But, my RE said it can happen at anytime in your cycle. So, that might be what happened here.

Thanks again for all your help! It is just comforting to have someone respond to your post!!!

[MountainMomma]

I thought I might have ovulated twice but i read through some old posts on this board and most people say it only happens within 24 hours of each other. But, my RE said it can happen at anytime in your cycle. So, that might be what happened here.[/b]

Recent research I've read actually indicates you CAN O more than once, and not necessarily within 24 hours of each other. However, with that said, it really looks to me like FF is going to change your O date again hun. It looks more like you might have O'd on CD 18 to me. We'll just have to watch your temps and see what they did. Sorry I can't help more than that.