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October 28th, 2008, 11:52 AM
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I have been reading "Pushed" by Jennifer Block for a few months now and I'm almost finished with it. I honestly thought I couldn't get any angrier over the things I was learning but my reading last night proved me wrong. She cited specific examples where women were court ordered to have a c-section when they truly wanted a VBAC. One woman labored at home for days before going into the hospital for dehydration. All she wanted a VBAC but they refused her IV fluids until she signed paperwork saying she would consent to the c-section. She refused and two nurses, after reviewing her chart and realizing there was no medical reason to force her into another c-section helped her and her husband to escape the hospital. They then came to her house with a court order and police officers. They tied her to the stretcher so she could not get away again and gave her the c-section against her will. This was in Tallahassee, FL. Another woman arrived at a hospital in Wilkes-Barre, PA was told that her baby was too large and would never fit and even though her previous six children were large, one 12 lb 4 oz and born vaginally, the hospital refused to allow her to birth vaginally and began the process of getting a court order to force her into a c-section. They drove to two different hospitals before finding one that allowed her to birth vaginally. Her baby weighed 11 lb 9 oz and was perfectly healthy.

And I find just as wrong that many insurance companies for OB's will no longer even cover VBAC's, further forcing them to refuse women the right to vaginal deliveries.

I am so outraged by this that I don't even know what to think! Just wow.
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October 28th, 2008, 12:01 PM
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That is pretty outrageous. I know most of the hospitals around here no longer due VBACs due to malpractice. It's hard enough to even find an ob/gyn in PA anymore. The malpractice in this state is astronomical. There was a local hospital in Philly that just closed it's maternity wing and they had a whole midwife practice there and really emphasized NCB When i called to make my appt at the birth center for a June baby, they were already booked thru April deliveries!
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October 28th, 2008, 12:16 PM
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It's HORRIBLE! I dont' remember where, but I read a story about a woman who was court ordered to have a cesarean and she DIED!

IMO court ordering a cesarean is along the same lines as forcing someone to have an abortion, which happens also. No one should have a right to force another person into an involuntary medical procedure.
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October 28th, 2008, 12:43 PM
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Wow..... just when I thought I heard it all. Amazing.
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October 28th, 2008, 01:44 PM
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You've got to be kidding me....just when you think you've heard it all.
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October 28th, 2008, 02:46 PM
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Right now I'm focusing on only positive thinking, due to my hypnobabies. But when Shim is out, I'm reading that book! I just don't want to get fired up right now. I know I'll get really ticked reading that.
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October 28th, 2008, 03:23 PM
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oh yes, seriously, don't read pushed while pregnant! smart cookie!!

So I just got through all that in the book too and it's just horrrific. No other way to describe it.
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October 28th, 2008, 07:07 PM
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That's really depressing. If I am ######ed with a c-section this time around, this may be my only child. Doctors are so scared of being sued it's nuts. Decisions brought on by fear is the problem. Doctors are thinking of themselves and not of the patient.
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October 29th, 2008, 12:24 AM
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That's absolutely ridiculous. I would think that there would be some recourse behind that. Or at least, I would hope there would be.
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October 29th, 2008, 07:34 AM
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That is so sad- it really is horrifying to think of. I read that book- and it seriously makes me angry on so many levels.

I'm so glad midwives here can still do VBACs.
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October 29th, 2008, 08:59 AM
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I really thought you were kidding by the title of your thread. It's so sad to see that women are being forced into things like that. What is this world coming to?
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October 29th, 2008, 09:53 AM
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Oh my gosh that makes me so mad!! I don't know what I would do if something like that ever happened to me!
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OK, why don't we just declare the country communist and get it over with? The words 'justice system' are becoming laughable.
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October 29th, 2008, 05:27 PM
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I would retreat to my bunker and have an unassisted birth LOL!

Seriously, holy crap. How can it be legal to tie a woman down to a stretcher and force her to have a c section? Things like this make me SOOOOO glad I decided to have a home birth. If I get investigated by CPS because of it then whatever but I'm not going to the hospital.
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October 30th, 2008, 01:08 PM
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Things like this terrify me which is precisely why I'm having a homebirth. LOL! Absolutely horrible. I agree that it's no different than forcing a women to or not to have an abortion. Womens body Womens choice!
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October 30th, 2008, 04:21 PM
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I found an article online about this and they had a really good comparison. No one can force you to donate a kidney, bone marrow or blood even if someone might die because of it. And they can't charge you with murder for not doing it.

there was a story of a woman pregnant with twins. She had low amniotic fluid and doctors told her she needed a cesarean. She refused. 2 days later she changed her mind and had the cesarean. One of the twins was stillborn. They charged her with murder and she was put in jail. They later reduced the sentence to child endangerment or something and she was released on probation.

it's awful!
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November 1st, 2008, 07:29 AM
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I found an article online about this and they had a really good comparison. No one can force you to donate a kidney, bone marrow or blood even if someone might die because of it. And they can't charge you with murder for not doing it.

there was a story of a woman pregnant with twins. She had low amniotic fluid and doctors told her she needed a cesarean. She refused. 2 days later she changed her mind and had the cesarean. One of the twins was stillborn. They charged her with murder and she was put in jail. They later reduced the sentence to child endangerment or something and she was released on probation.

it's awful![/b]

oh- and they can't charge murder b/c you need a dealth certificate for there to have been a murder, and you need a birth certificate to get a death certificate....

I personally feel it is wrong for her to be charged with anything.
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wow cross that off of books to read. I think I would get so mad it I might break my window throwing it
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