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June 29th, 2012, 08:22 AM
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So in order to have a water birth at my hospital we have to attend a water birth class and pay $30 per couple to get a certificate stating we took it. Its pretty ridiculous. My midwife group has flyers up all over their office with a lady to email requesting that the 'class' be offered online since its mandatory... and the overseeing OB even made jokes about how insane it is that we have to take a class to know the risks of delivering in water but if you want an epidural its just 'initial here!'

Anyway it was last night. I went into it kind of figuring it would be pointless but not really minding if that's what I have to do to have a water birth. I'm very happy with my care providers and while I have no experience with this particular hospital, for my area, it seems about as good as it gets for wanting a hands-off birth.

The instructor was one of the L&D nurses. She was loud and fun and made things really interesting... but almost every word out of her mouth made me cringe. She HORRIFIED the women in that group. First off, I do hypnobabies and so I've kind of changed the way my mind thinks of things and I don't listen to negative birth stories or women go on and on about the "pain." I consider the "pain" pressure... and honestly, genuinely, in my first birthing time that's how it felt. So sitting through this class and listening to her go on and on and ON about pain pain pain was incredibly irritating. But not just that... she kept telling freaking horror stories. She talked about when all the doctors were performing emergency surgeries and deliveries and they had to call for any surgeon in the hospital to get there ASAP... and talked about babies dying, and moms dying... like multiple stories about women and babies DYING in birth. And then she kept on saying how they do what's in the best interest for the baby... so while its your birthing plan and your baby and they respect that, if something needs to be done they're going to act first and get permission later, and they don't have time to explain things to you and blah blah. Unless its an incredibly rare and true emergency, that's not gonna fly with me. And she very obviously has an issue with doulas because non-stop she kept reinforcing how they don't listen to doulas and will kick them out and blah blah blah. Then someone asked about if there was a lactation consultant on the floor, and she was all "oh yeah. I've been a nurse for 25 years... we're all lactation consultants. we all know about breastfeeding." and then starts all this inappropriate talk about dads wanting to do skin to skin and getting baby to latch on them... and how you can't get suckered into on-demand feeding and need to keep baby on a schedule or they'll stay there all day and all of this total garbage. So I asked if any of the nurses are actually a certified lactation consultant or just that she feels they're generally knowledgable and supportive of it, and she confirmed there is one on the floor. She also went on and on and ON about should dystocia and how women who are 5'2" can't have a baby that weighs more than 8 pounds because its gonna get stuck and you don't want to be in the water when that happens. One of the moms in there is 5'2" and had two 9+ pound babies and was trying to encourage the other scared moms that thats not necessarily true and the instructor was all "well she must just have a big vagina then."

I mean... I could go on and on and on, but it was just horrible. and so now I'm just feeling kind of 'eh.' and the nurse/ instructor kept listing all of these reasons why she wouldn't allow a mama to have a water birth, like if they gained too much weight and she thinks the baby will be big. and I feel like that's something that my care providers would decide, not her... but either way I'm suddenly anxious that the nurses will be super hands on and not see eye-to-eye. she kept saying a lot of the 'right' things like "we follow your birth plan" and "its your baby" etc. but then in the same breath adding all of this negativity and "we know what's best" kind of garbage.

Plus the hospital only has two pools and from the very beginning I've questioned why the heck that is, its not like they cost a fortune... and during the meet & greet one of the midwives reassured that they've been in use but never not had one for a mama who wants one. But the nurse instructor kept saying moms always come in in threes so not to get your hopes up b/c you might not even get to use it at all... and honestly the entire reason I'm driving so far away is to have a dang water birth!

So now I'm considering buying a little kiddie pool to bring along, but this crazy nurse who's all my way or the high way probably wouldn't "let" me use it anyway.
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June 29th, 2012, 01:20 PM
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OMG! I would have been pissed!
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June 29th, 2012, 03:34 PM
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I would be pissed too! I would probably call and complain. Why would they have someone so negative teach a class about water birth? I would assume that most people who seek out water birth have done their own research on NCB and don't need some idiot rambling on about how dangerous birth is.

Also, I had a $30 fishy kiddie pool as my "birth pool" and it worked like a charm. It might be worth buying one just to put your mind at ease about not having a birth tub at the hospital.
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June 29th, 2012, 08:15 PM
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Oh my gosh. People are talking about that class on the Atlanta ICAN boards. Evidently, she is not the normal nurse who gives the class and word is that she did a TERRIBLE job. Be sure to let Dr. B know about your experience if you get a chance (even if you have to call the office). He needs to know before she is allowed to teach again. That's infuriating.
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June 29th, 2012, 10:05 PM
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Que, I just logged in to the ICAN board and feel so much better to see almost every single one of my complaints also detailed by another mama on there. I mean my husband and I were just flabbergasted. I'll definitely be mentioning it to Intown. The woman said she normally teaches it with another lady, but the other lady couldn't make it. .. so maybe she keeps her in check? not sure.
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June 30th, 2012, 09:23 AM
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Ugh Shannon, she sounds horrible. I truly hope you get your water birth out of this!!!

It's the same deal at my hospital...only two pool rooms...and if they're in use when it's your turn it's tough. It's not something I'm desperate to do but it would be nice to have the option as I am aiming to avoid an epidural and follow the Hypnobirthing principles as much as I can even though I couldn't afford the course. It really is about time some midwives and hospitals dragged themselves into the same century the rest of us are in.

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June 30th, 2012, 10:24 AM
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I REALLY wouldn't worry about the pool availability. It's never really been an issue. Usually if one of my clients didn't get to use the pool, it was because of other factors (they showed up pushing, high BP, recurrent decels, things like that) but never because a pool wasn't available. There is another midwife who is around a lot as well in case Intown midwives can't make it as well who will catch in the water... so even if you go fast, that hasn't been an excuse to get out of the water. It always seems to work out in a good way. You'll be just fine.
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June 30th, 2012, 01:12 PM
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That class sounds horrible! I'm glad you'll be saying something to the hospital.

I don't care if it's a room full of hypnobirthers or not (though I assume a water birth class, more likely than not), there is no excuse for bossing people around with horror stories. I got worked up just reading that.
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July 2nd, 2012, 01:57 PM
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Dr. B responded on the local ICAN boards about the class. Oh. and I love him.

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As described, the Nurse teaching this particular Waterbirth class may have singlehandedly undone all the effort that been put into making this an informative session and adjunct to the pregnancy/birth experience.

The comments and observations made by Ashley were coalesced in an e-mail and forwarded to Tammy Thompson, the individual who is in charge of the Waterbirth Class and instrumental in dramatically improving it. As some of you may know, I audited the Class ~ 10 months ago and was equally appalled by the message and info given.


To have to continually revisit this issue saps energy from other problems we want to address. I will follow-up with Tammy Thompson to get a better sense of how someone is selected to teach this class and Q/A processes. Also, can she give some insight re who is selected for teaching the Class.

Also of note, this issue was discussed at our Birth Center meeting this afternoon of which several Intown staff members, Margaret and Anjli were in attendance. We are all aware.

Personally, I believe Intown should be given this class to control the message. Or the hospital should give a broader class covering all aspects of labor support also; e.g. epidural and its risk/benefit

Will keep you posted

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July 2nd, 2012, 02:48 PM
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Great response and I'm glad they're aware and trying to do what they can, its a shame the birth center won't be open until next year! Honestly going into this class I knew his take and the midwife's take on it and so I was genuinely surprised to see it being instructed by someone with such drastically different views on birth considering she continuously mentioned that most of us our Intown patients.
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July 5th, 2012, 11:16 PM
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im sorry you had to deal with this. I had a wonderful experience at AMC just 6mo ago when I had a water birth. I would complain to the hospital and Intown so they know you had this experience and then try to forget everything you heard there. Once you get there, the midwives take over and do not leave until baby is born. They have trusted nurses in L&D that they work with who know what intown patients are looking for. Dont let that one nurse scare you.

I wonder about the birth pools though...they told me they had 13 pools and that was just 6mo ago, I wouldnt think they would be down to 2.
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July 9th, 2012, 02:12 PM
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Hello fellow GA mamas! I'm getting ready to Doula for a good friend who will be delivering with Intown, and is planning a water birth. They actually tested out the on-line class idea and then canned it. My friend was included in the trial run, so I got to view it with her. I was really pretty disappointed with it and couldn't fathom paying $30 for it. They just had the parents reading the slides form the class, without any narrative, etc.. Obviously the class itself would have someone discussing the points on the slides in further detail, so it just really felt like you were missing something. Anyway I guess that's why they did away with the idea?

I'm so sorry for the horrible "teacher"! I hope they do something about it and confront her directly!

Oh and I totally agree with you about being annoyed that they mandate such a class for water birth, but not for an Epidural, etc.. So backwards!!
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July 9th, 2012, 02:36 PM
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Hey!!! Are you an active doula in the area? Do I know you? Lol. If not I want to!
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July 9th, 2012, 03:20 PM
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I had emailed earlier on encouraging them to put the class online. I'm bummed to hear they decided against it. Honestly I think paying $30 for a water birth class that's mandatory is a waste of my time and money anyway so if I'm going to be forced to do it I'd rather be able to do it online on my own time. My husband laughed out loud that the power point slide lists "slippery baby" as a true risk to water birth... I mean COME ON.

and if the class were worth taking and they wanted to elaborate on the slides with accurate information then that would be one thing... but this woman was spouting off horror stories and scare tactics and flat out incorrect information.

Anyway I had an appointment today at Intown and even though I know they're aware that the class on the 28th was especially bad, I still reiterated everything just to drive home the point.
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July 9th, 2012, 07:18 PM
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Hey!!! Are you an active doula in the area? Do I know you? Lol. If not I want to!
I live over in Carrol County. We moved here from PA about 10 months ago so I'm relatively new to the area. Long story short, I'm not active, but dearly want to be!
I started my doula training in July of '07. I attended my first birth in August. I got married in November of that year, moved from KY to PA 7 months later, found out I was pregnant with my first the next month. Had my second baby just 18 month after the first, moved to GA in Oct of '11, and NOW; here I am, never having completed my training because life was too busy to get plugged in with a network and I still needed one more birth... I had kind of just let the whole idea get put on the back burner.. until a dear friend asked if I'd attend her birth as her doula, and I of course said yes! I LOVE everything about pregnancy/labor/birth, and would LOVE to get involved with the birthing network here. I just don't know where to start. Oh and now I'm pregnant again, and we're in the middle of buying our first house... Life never slows down does it! where do you live?
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July 9th, 2012, 07:32 PM
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I had emailed earlier on encouraging them to put the class online. I'm bummed to hear they decided against it. Honestly I think paying $30 for a water birth class that's mandatory is a waste of my time and money anyway so if I'm going to be forced to do it I'd rather be able to do it online on my own time. My husband laughed out loud that the power point slide lists "slippery baby" as a true risk to water birth... I mean COME ON.
Haha! Funny you should mention that. We were talking over final birthday details yesterday, and my friend mentioned that her husband hadn't watched the slides. She asked if I thought it was necessary for him to, and I suggested that he at least read over the contraindications, just so he'd be in the loop if something should come up. He too laughed at the "slippery baby" comment. He was like, "Umm, aren't ALL babies slippery?"

One of the other contraindications that bothered me was that water birth makes monitoring the baby harder. Unless you are talking about using an internal fetal monitor (which, I'm assuming wouldn't be an option under water), I disagree that it's any harder. They just use a hand held doppler under water. Anyway, as a Water birth mom, there were others that I was reading and thinking "Seriously?", but I know they are just trying to cover every possible negative outcome..
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July 9th, 2012, 10:01 PM
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I live in Atlanta, near East Atlanta Village and Little 5 Points.

You should check out the Georgia Birth Network. It's what I am a part of. Also, the local ICAN is very active in the birth community as well.

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Well the commentary they missed by taking the class online specifically said to let the dad's know they'll be in charge of "The Net" for scooping out floating poops and other gross things from the birthing pool. Also if they want to do skin to skin time, that's fine but baby might latch on... and they have to keep their clothes on at all times during the birth. I think those were the three main points made for the men in the room.

Oh and don't nurse too long b/c the men will want their fun bags back... but I think that tip was for the moms.

We live about 20 minutes south of the airport
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Well the commentary they missed by taking the class online specifically said to let the dad's know they'll be in charge of "The Net" for scooping out floating poops and other gross things from the birthing pool. Also if they want to do skin to skin time, that's fine but baby might latch on... and they have to keep their clothes on at all times during the birth. I think those were the three main points made for the men in the room.

Oh and don't nurse too long b/c the men will want their fun bags back... but I think that tip was for the moms.

We live about 20 minutes south of the airport
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This was quite a gem to run across! I had a lof of doubts about N. Fulton's requirement of the waterbirthing class. I'm sorry the class you attended didn't go so well, I'm not so sure I would have been able to sit through that. Ridiculous!

I live in Douglas County, fun to know there are so many mamas interested in NCB close by!
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