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October 20th, 2010, 10:00 PM
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The article posted in the thread about atheism not being an article of faith got me wondering, what would you consider to be irrefutable proof of a god or gods? What would it take to change your stance?

I personally am going to have to mull over this one because I don't know. Reports of someone supposedly rising from the dead and claiming to be the son of god wouldn't cut it; I do know that much for sure.

I'm very interested to read your thoughts on this!
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October 20th, 2010, 10:28 PM
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A long time ago, before I learned that if you actually try to DEBATE something on the heated debates board here you're likely to get reported, someone sarcastically accused me of wanting completely outrageous proof such as the clouds parting and God popping down with his ID card.

Well to that, I say, if God is omnipotent and can do ANYTHING, why is that such an outrageous request? Surely it's possible (according to theists), right? Honestly though, even if that did happen, I'd reevaluate my sanity and visit several psychiatrists and probably some CAT scans or something before believing that this being that materialized was truly God. I don't know what, if anything, could actually convince me that a god exists, but it would have to be something REALLY spectacular and it would have to simultaneously be witnessed by millions of others, other atheists included, to convince me I didn't have a brain tumor or something.
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October 21st, 2010, 03:54 AM
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lol!! i love what you said chris! awesome

i have to agree on the "if i saw anything i'd want mental help" theory. I honestly don't know if anything would make me believe. it all just seems so ridiculous to me.
and i've always wondered why on earth an omnipotent god can't just appear and prove us all wrong. answer from the theist: well god wants you to have faith in him. if you NEED to see him, you don't have the faith that he wants. (hahaha...)
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A long time ago, before I learned that if you actually try to DEBATE something on the heated debates board here you're likely to get reported, someone sarcastically accused me of wanting completely outrageous proof such as the clouds parting and God popping down with his ID card.

Well to that, I say, if God is omnipotent and can do ANYTHING, why is that such an outrageous request? Surely it's possible (according to theists), right? Honestly though, even if that did happen, I'd reevaluate my sanity and visit several psychiatrists and probably some CAT scans or something before believing that this being that materialized was truly God. I don't know what, if anything, could actually convince me that a god exists, but it would have to be something REALLY spectacular and it would have to simultaneously be witnessed by millions of others, other atheists included, to convince me I didn't have a brain tumor or something.
ohh i agree totally i'd def need more than "god" popping down and saying hi....cause then i would just think i totally lost all my marbles LOL...and if i did happen im sure that would exactly be the case....i had a mental breakdown or i had something wrong with me LOL
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October 21st, 2010, 07:19 AM
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I think sitting down to coffee and having a nice little chat with a god would be sufficient for me.
However, I'm agnostic and I just don't see what all the to-do is about.
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I agree with every word Chris said.
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I like the way you guys think. I guess it bugged me that atheists were presented as people who would quickly sing a different tune if presented with proof, with no mention as to what the proof could possibly be...
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I think the second after I die, and I'm in Heaven...being forgiven for my lack of faith...it's when I'll believe! "He'll" forgive me...and let me right in!
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I like the way you guys think. I guess it bugged me that atheists were presented as people who would quickly sing a different tune if presented with proof, with no mention as to what the proof could possibly be...
Yep. Atheists get the brunt of a religious person's insecurities about their own beliefs. You'll notice that a Christian doesn't get as offended/defensive when presented with a Hindu person. The Hindu person doesn't believe in God the same way that the Christian does, which SHOULD trip the Christian's panic-o-meter... But it doesn't, because the Hindu person has a solid belief in some type of supreme being. They can relate to the belief, so it's okay. The Atheist's absence of belief almost seems like too much for a religious person to handle, like they've never even considered the idea that there ISN'T a supreme being.
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