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March 12th, 2011, 02:20 PM
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What are some issues you find that you deal with regularly for being an atheist or agnostic or whatever you want to call yourself?

I find recently since I have officially come out of the atheist closet that people have been more judgmental on my Facebook and in real life. They feel as though they need to comment on EVERYTHING that I post regarding atheism. They feel that I am personally attacking them and since officially coming out, 2 friends, one I have had since I was 12, have since blocked me from their facebook and they refuse to talk to me anymore.

I guess being more vocal bothers people, well some people.
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March 12th, 2011, 02:30 PM
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Living in the south so many things. The biggest thing right now is religion with my children. We just can't seem to find a day care that fits us. There are some great small day cares that don't push religion, but they close too early (5:30, same as my work.) For some reason the ones that stay open until 6 feel the need to lead the kids in prayer before meals. My son is 2, I don't get what they see they are getting out of doing that.
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March 12th, 2011, 05:49 PM
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^ Regarding that, I have a friend who had her daughter in a child care that prayed before meals and she just told them and her daughter to thank the earth, animals, and people for their food rather than God. It worked out well.
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March 12th, 2011, 09:21 PM
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Whenever something bad happens (a death, sickness, etc) to someone I know, I get stuck trying to think of something to say. "Sorry your mom died..." and then that's it. I'm kind of an awkward talker. I almost get envious that some people can spout off about being with the angels and whatnot.
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March 13th, 2011, 12:32 AM
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Whenever something bad happens (a death, sickness, etc) to someone I know, I get stuck trying to think of something to say. "Sorry your mom died..." and then that's it. I'm kind of an awkward talker. I almost get envious that some people can spout off about being with the angels and whatnot.
OMG totally!! Or when someone is going through something rough and people say that they'll be in their prayers and such and I'm like "Uh, I'll be thinking of you..." Like that's actually going to help their situation any? (Not that prayer would either, but they think it does, so I guess it makes them feel better) I find myself at a loss for words in situations like that, I can't think of much to say other than sorry or condolences.
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OMG totally!! Or when someone is going through something rough and people say that they'll be in their prayers and such and I'm like "Uh, I'll be thinking of you..." Like that's actually going to help their situation any? (Not that prayer would either, but they think it does, so I guess it makes them feel better) I find myself at a loss for words in situations like that, I can't think of much to say other than sorry or condolences.
I totally relate to both of you. If it's on a message board, sometimes I'll just go ahead and do the praying smilie if I don't have the time to think of something more heart felt.
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March 14th, 2011, 12:46 PM
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The biggest issue I deal with daily is religion and my DD. DH and I do butt heads often because I feel it isn't right to teach her that the bible is true but rather that some believe it to be true. DH is a lapsed catholic, technically.

What's funny is the other day while at my MIL's DD asked for something read, she tried to give her the bible. I told DD it's okay if she wants to read it and she says "psssh, yeah I don't think so it's just a bunch of really long pretend stories, you know fiction, why would you give me that grandma?" It even made DH chuckle.
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OMG totally!! Or when someone is going through something rough and people say that they'll be in their prayers and such and I'm like "Uh, I'll be thinking of you..." Like that's actually going to help their situation any? (Not that prayer would either, but they think it does, so I guess it makes them feel better) I find myself at a loss for words in situations like that, I can't think of much to say other than sorry or condolences.
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ITA on the not knowing what to say in difficult situations.
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Right now biggest thing is avoiding all religious talk at my son's scout meetings. We somehow managed to avoid doing the religious requirement. Scouts do not allow in athiest or agnostics, but I believe being in scouts is good for him.
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March 15th, 2011, 08:47 PM
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Right now biggest thing is avoiding all religious talk at my son's scout meetings. We somehow managed to avoid doing the religious requirement. Scouts do not allow in athiest or agnostics, but I believe being in scouts is good for him.
WHAT?! I don't remember any religious activities or references from Girl Scouts. What kind of Scouts is this?
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Duty to God

Q. Can an individual who states that he does not believe in God be a Volunteer Scout leader or member?

No. The Scout Oath, which documents the basic values of Scouting, literally and figuratively addresses the issue of "duty to God" before duty to country, others and self.

Q. What allows the BSA to exclude atheists from membership?

The BSA is a private membership group. As with any private organization, the BSA retains the Constitutional right to establish and maintain standards for membership. Anyone who supports the values of Scouting and meets these standards is welcome to join the organization.
BSA Discrimination.org:Home -> BSA & Religion -> BSA Position on God

That is what I found on the website. Technically speaking I guess it is saying that you can't make an oath to something you don't believe, so therefore you can't complete the BS oath, and therefore can't be a BS.

My son thought about being a scout, we went to a few meetings, but then he picked up on wrestling and decided he wanted to do that instead. While our local scout group is amazing with the kids, they are more focused on the religion than I care for so I was happy with his choice of wrestling over scouts!
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March 15th, 2011, 09:40 PM
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Holy crap. I didn't know that. I'm appalled.

Also, I just scoured the Girl Scouts website. There IS a mention of God in the Girl Scout Law. I seriously don't remember that being in there, though it's been there since the beginning. Ick. My troop leaders were Wiccan, maybe this is why religion was never mentioned in our activities or discussions... But DANG. Instantly rethinking my plans of being Cait's troop leader down the road. But religion/faith doesn't seem to play into GS stuff as much as it does for BS stuff, from what I can see between the two sites.
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I am the leader for my daughters Girl Scout Daisy group. I NEVER mention religion and because they are first year Daisies, they haven't started to master the pledge yet. I did the leader this year, thinking it would be a fun thing for my daughter and I to do together. I will not do it again next year. The parents are so hard to deal with and I am sick of being a babysitter not to the girls, but of the parents. Constantly having to remind them of things.

For example, our cookie money was due last Friday...here we are going on Wednesday, and ONE mother still has not turned anything in. And sadly, she is my sister in law so it causes a riff with that. I am so done after this year and will not be going back into it.

If there are still troops, my daughter will be allowed to continue, but I will not lead again.
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March 15th, 2011, 09:51 PM
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GS has BS beat on one thing, at least:
http://www.girlscouts.org/program/pr...ial_issues.pdf
It's a guide'book' for volunteers in the Girl Scouts Beyond Bars program.
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Regarding sexual orientation, Girl Scouts of the USA
holds fast to a commitment to embrace diversity and
has in place a policy that prohibits discriminatory
treatment of any kind, including on the basis of one's
sexual orientation.
I know that isn't germane to the God issue, but I do think that's a significant difference. That difference makes me happy.

Also, GSUSA uses findings from GLSEN in their studies. Makes me double-happy. I loved being a Girl Scout.
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I am the leader for my daughters Girl Scout Daisy group. I NEVER mention religion and because they are first year Daisies, they haven't started to master the pledge yet. I did the leader this year, thinking it would be a fun thing for my daughter and I to do together. I will not do it again next year. The parents are so hard to deal with and I am sick of being a babysitter not to the girls, but of the parents. Constantly having to remind them of things.

For example, our cookie money was due last Friday...here we are going on Wednesday, and ONE mother still has not turned anything in. And sadly, she is my sister in law so it causes a riff with that. I am so done after this year and will not be going back into it.

If there are still troops, my daughter will be allowed to continue, but I will not lead again.
Good job, Jenna. Way to refresh the page between posts. Sorry, I wasn't ignoring you.
I know I idealize the role of troop leader in my head, but it's been kind of a secret dream of mine since I found out I was having a girl. I looked up to my troop leaders SO MUCH when I was younger, probably more so than my mother at that point (something that shames me now - my mom is AWESOME and I didn't give her enough credit for that when I was little). I want to be that kind of good influence in Caitie's life, and in the lives of other young girls. I know I can accomplish that, at least with Caitie, just by being her mom... But I'd still like to give Leader a try.

Jeebus. Thread derailed. My bad, sorry folks.
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March 15th, 2011, 10:52 PM
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It is crazy that they can get away with it. I've thought about telling them that we are Buddhist if it came down to it . I do not disagree with Buddhism so I would not feel guilty.
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