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August 1st, 2006, 07:28 AM
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I personally don't pray. I think praying would be seen as a waste of time by most atheists. Agnostics might pray for important things, just in case god really is out there somewhere.

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An agnostic may, but an atheist wouldn't, unless they aren't being honest with themselves. Agnostics are open to the possibility of creator(s), whereas an atheist or naturalist feels that something that is not a part of this universe (i.e. supernatural being or deity) cannot affect/alter it.
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I think an Atheist can pray. When someone prays he/she's not necessarily praying to someone. One can pray for many reasons - to calm oneself, to get something off your chest, to put intention out into the universe, etc...
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I think an Atheist can pray. When someone prays he/she's not necessarily praying to someone. One can pray for many reasons - to calm oneself, to get something off your chest, to put intention out into the universe, etc...[/b]
But in order to believe that projecting one's intent (will) into the universe without any other action besides prayer (or meditation) then one assumes that the universe can be affected by sheer will alone. An atheist/naturalist philosophy doesn't operate under that paradaigm. I, as an atheist, don't believe I can wish myself into a new job. But if my paradigm included some form of supernatural phenomena like prayer/magick then perhaps I may believe that. To effectively alter the universe with Will alone requires some sort of faith that your will can change things, I would think.
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I think an Atheist can pray. When someone prays he/she's not necessarily praying to someone. One can pray for many reasons - to calm oneself, to get something off your chest, to put intention out into the universe, etc...[/b]
But in order to believe that projecting one's intent (will) into the universe without any other action besides prayer (or meditation) then one assumes that the universe can be affected by sheer will alone. An atheist/naturalist philosophy doesn't operate under that paradaigm. I, as an atheist, don't believe I can wish myself into a new job. But if my paradigm included some form of supernatural phenomena like prayer/magick then perhaps I may believe that. To effectively alter the universe with Will alone requires some sort of faith that your will can change things, I would think.
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But is it the assumption that intent and will affect the universe? Not necessarily. One doesn't have to believe in a higher power, nor that their intent affects the universe. They aren't entwinde nor is there assumption. Maybe people, outside of God/Universe can see how just putting positive energy outside of them effects their reactions greatly.. It's mainly phychological.

Now that said, why can't an agnositic be open to a bigger possiblity without the assumption of it being a god?
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I think an Atheist can pray. When someone prays he/she's not necessarily praying to someone. One can pray for many reasons - to calm oneself, to get something off your chest, to put intention out into the universe, etc...[/b]
But in order to believe that projecting one's intent (will) into the universe without any other action besides prayer (or meditation) then one assumes that the universe can be affected by sheer will alone. An atheist/naturalist philosophy doesn't operate under that paradaigm. I, as an atheist, don't believe I can wish myself into a new job. But if my paradigm included some form of supernatural phenomena like prayer/magick then perhaps I may believe that. To effectively alter the universe with Will alone requires some sort of faith that your will can change things, I would think.
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But is it the assumption that intent and will affect the universe? Not necessarily. One doesn't have to believe in a higher power, nor that their intent affects the universe. They aren't entwinde nor is there assumption. Maybe people, outside of God/Universe can see how just putting positive energy outside of them effects their reactions greatly.. It's mainly phychological.

Now that said, why can't an agnositic be open to a bigger possiblity without the assumption of it being a god?
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I see where you are going...positive self-reinforcement/psychology. While the practice has merit in my opinion, (like neuro-linguistic programming) I don't know that I would classify that as prayer.

On your second point....I'm not so sure that agnostics would argue with you there.
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