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October 14th, 2009, 07:05 PM
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That's the title of an article a friend recently shared with me and asked my opinion of. I read the article and decided I had to give my opinion point by point. And I have to say, this guy ticks me off.

18 REASONS WHY YOU SHOULD NOT VACCINATE YOUR CHILDREN AGAINST THE FLU
By Bill Sardi
--- Note that the author is a "consumer advocate" journalist and spokesperson for several nutritional supplements and not surprisingly advocates consumers to forgo flu shots and take vitamins and supplements instead so he is far from without bias or agenda. ---

1. This flu is simply another flu. It is not unusually deadly. In fact, the H1N1 swine flu in circulation is less deadly than many other influenza outbreaks. The first 1000 confirmed swine flu cases in Japan and China produced zero deaths. The Centers for Disease Control alleges 36,000 Americans succumb to the flu each year, but so far, since March through August of 2009 (6 months), the swine flu has been attributed to ~500-600 deaths in the US. The swine flu of 2009 has already swept through the Southern Hemisphere’s flu season without alarm. Only exaggerated reports have been issued by the World Health Organization regarding hospitalizations required during the flu season in South American countries. Getting exposed to influenza and developing natural antibodies confers resistance for future flu outbreaks. Artificially boosting antibodies by exposure to flu viruses in vaccines is more problematic than natural exposure. Americans have been exposed to the H1N1 swine flu throughout the summer of 2009 with far fewer deaths and hospitalizations than commonly attributed to the seasonal flu.

--- Is he making a point here that swine flu is not worth worrying about or that regular flu is? I actually would agree with him that there is no need to overreact about the swine flu vs "regular" flu. I think if you are a person at risk for influenza you should try to avoid getting it, period, be that by avoiding public contact and washing well or getting the vaccine, because swine flu or otherwise, the flu sucks, and in extreme cases can be deadly to some.

To the bolded, says who? This is like saying getting the chicken pox vaccine is more problematic than gaining immunity to the chicken pox by allowing yourself to be exposed to the chicken pox. Ummm, no. That will just get you the chicken pox... yeah, you'll now be immune to the chicken pox, but wait, you'll have had to endure the chicken pox, and the chicken pox suck. Just ask my kids. They were exposed to the chicken pox 2 years ago. Jack, who got the vaccine, had 6 pox. Mia, who got the vaccine, had none. Poor Sydney, who hadn't been vaccinated yet, well, I stopped counting at 100, she even had them on her eyelids. A shot vs that... no question in my mind which is more problematic.
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2. Health authorities tacitly admit prior flu vaccination programs were of worthless value. This is the first time both season and pandemic flu vaccines will be administered. Both seasonal flu and swine flu vaccines will require two inoculations. This is because single inoculations have failed to produce sufficient antibodies. This is an admission that prior flu vaccines were virtually useless. The same people who brought you the ineffective vaccines in past years are bringing you this year’s new vaccines. Can you trust them this time?

--- Only infants and children under 8 are supposed to get 2 shots to gain adequate immunity. Older children and adults are all set with 1. And I trust Dr. Sears, a lot more than the author of this... article...
AskDrSears - The Vaccine Book: Flu Vaccine Update for the 2009/2010 Season
AskDrSears - The Vaccine Book: Four Swine Flu Vaccines Approved by FDA
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3. In addition to failure to produce sufficient antibodies, this swine flu vaccine is brought to you by the same people who haven’t been able to adequately produce a seasonal flu vaccine that matches the flu strain in circulation. In recent years flu vaccination has been totally worthless because the strains of the flu in circulation did not match the strain of the virus in the vaccines.

--- I wouldn't say worthless. Sure, they can't match ALL the strains in circulation - there are hundreds! Vaccine makers and the World Health Organization try to predict which strains will be the most prevalent in a given year (I'm not sure how they come to their conclusions) and they focus on those strains for that year's vaccine. So, we aren't protected from all the flus - isn't some protection better than none? Let's call flu season the rainy season... wouldn't you rather an umbrella with a few holes in it than no umbrella at all? ---

4. The vaccines will be produced by no less than four different manufacturers, possibly with different additives (called adjuvants) and manufacturing methods. The two flu inoculations may be derived from a multi-dose vial and in a crisis, and in short supply, it will be diluted to provide more doses and then adjuvants must be added to trigger a stronger immune response. Adjuvants are added to vaccines to boost production of antibodies but may trigger autoimmune reactions. Some adjuvants are mercury (thimerosal), aluminum and squalene. Would you permit your children to be injected with lead? Lead is very harmful to the brain. Then why would you sign a consent form for your kids to be injected with mercury, which is even more brain-toxic than lead? Injecting mercury may fry the brains of American kids.

--- Oh good grief. Brazen scare tactics! And I have to wonder if he is misinformed or just plain lying on purpose! Again, I will link to the Dr. Sears articles about this year's vaccines, who makes them, how they are administered, which contain mercury etc (Currently the only US vaccine containing squalene is the recently approved (09/15) H1N1 Monovalent produced by Novartis)
AskDrSears - The Vaccine Book: Flu Vaccine Update for the 2009/2010 Season
AskDrSears - The Vaccine Book: Four Swine Flu Vaccines Approved by FDA

Furthermore, thimerasol is used as a preservative, not to boost antibodies. I'd also like to make a distinction between mercury as most people might be thinking of it and what is in vaccines.
Mercury is a natural element found in air, soil and water. It is released through volcanic eruptions, burning coal, and weathering of rocks. Once released, bacteria can change mercury to methylmercury, which makes its way into food. At high levels, it can be toxic to people. Methylmercury is not used in vaccines.
We often use “mercury” to mean “thimerosal” when we talk about vaccines. Thimerosal contains a type of mercury called ethylmercury. Ethylmercury is used in some influenza vaccines, including some of the new H1N1 (swine flu) vaccine. Studies show that the kind of mercury in vaccines (ethylmercury contained in thimerosal) breaks down and leaves the body much more quickly than the form that is found naturally in the environment (methylmercury).
So you aren't going to have mercury poisoning from a vaccine like you might have from eating mercury-laden tuna for example. It's not going to build up in your system and give you autism as some unethical practicians (I hesitate to call them doctors) would have you believe just so they can get you to open your wallets for their potentially dangerous chellation therapies. But I digress...
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5. This is the first year mock vaccines have been used to gain FDA approval. Mock vaccines are made to gain approval of the manufacturing method and then the prevalent virus strain in circulation is added just days before it is actually placed into use. Don’t subject your children to experimental vaccines. Yes, these vaccines have been tested on healthy kids and adults, but they are not the same vaccines your children will be given. Those children with asthma, allergies, type I diabetes, etc. are at greater risk for side effects. Children below the age of 2 years do not have a sufficient blood brain barrier developed and are subject to chronic brain infections that emanate into symptoms that are called autism. Toddlers should not be subjected to injected viruses.

--- Mock vaccines are not experimental. Remember back a couple of points ago, where Sardi complained that the vaccines makers couldn't match the strains in circulation? The mock vaccine process makes it easier to do just that. The vaccine is essentially identical except that in the final version the most current viral signature available is substituted for the prototype - no weird new experimental ingredients are added.
And his statement about autism is transparent - trying to scare parents with theories is just wrong IMO
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6. Over-vaccination is a common practice now in America. American children are subjected to 29 vaccines by the age of two. This means a little bit of disease is being injected into young children continually during their most formative years! Veterinarians have backed off of repeat vaccination in dogs because of observed side effects.

--- Yes, kids do get a lot of vaccines recommended over their childhood. I personally am thankful for the availability of immunizations for the illnesses my grandparents feared - I have a choice in whether I want to subject my child to a handful of needles, or take my chances with subjecting them to the actual illnesses instead.

To the bolded, here are some pictures of children with more than a little bit of the disease AAP Press Room - Photos

I have never looked into the vaccination schedule of dogs. I do know that my dog got a bunch of vaccines and booster yearly, and never got those diseases, and it didn't seem to me like our vet backed off vaccines over the years, so I can't agree with that blanket statement from my own experience.
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7. Health officials want to vaccinate women during pregnancy, subjecting the fetal brain to an intentional biological assault. A recent study showed vaccines injected into women during pregnancy provoke a similar gene expression pattern in the fetus as that seen in autistic children.

--- What study? Source? More info? Hmmm, maybe he is drawing from this...
https://sfari.org/news-and-commentary/all/-...and-commentary/
http://www.blisstree.com/geneticsandhealth...enes-of-unborn/
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8. Modern medicine has no explanation for autism, despite its continued rise in prevalence. Yet autism is not reported among Amish children who go unvaccinated. Beware the falsehoods of modern medicine.

--- Misleading. "Autism is not reported...", duh, the Amish don't generally report their business outside of their community. And FYI, just to confuse this issue, many Amish do vaccinate, and of those who do, they still seem to have a lower rate of autism. Of course, that's reported autism.
Do The Amish Vaccinate? Indeed They Do, AND Their Autism Rates May be Lower
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9. School kids are likely to receive nasally-administered vaccines (Flu-Mist) that require no needle injection. But this form of live vaccine produces viral shedding which will surely be transmitted to family members. What a way to start an epidemic!

--- Here he is assuming his readers don't know how nasal mist vaccines work. OK, I will assume so as well and explain just in case. The nasal mist version of the vaccine contains a live virus that has been altered, it has been weakened so that it cannot cause infection and it cannot reproduce at body temperature. This altered FluMist virus enters the body in a weakened state, allowing the immune system to easily fight off the virus. The body then creates antibodies, which in turn help fight off future stronger flu virus infections. The vaccine is given through the nasal cavity because in it's weakened state it cannot even survive in the lungs or bloodstream like injected vaccines, so it's very safe. It would be practically impossible to spread the FluMist virus unless you pretty much snotted all over someone very soon after getting it and they inhaled it, and even then, they would not get the actual flu. That's why there are no cases of this ever happening for Sardi to cite. ---

10. This triple reassortment virus appears to be man made. The H1N1 swine flu virus of 2009 coincidentally appeared in Mexico on the same week that President Nicolas Sarkozy of France visited Mexican president Felipe Calderon, to announce that France intends to build a multi-million dollar vaccine plant in Mexico. An article written by Ron Maloney of the Seguin, Texas Gazette-Enterprise newspaper announces a “rehearsal for a pandemic disaster” scheduled for May 2, 2009. The article says: “Guadalupe County emergency management and their counterparts around the country are preparing for just such a scenario…” This means county health authorities across the U.S. had been preparing a rehearsal for mass vaccinations prior to the announced outbreak in Mexico. Virologists admit this part swine flu/part avian flu/part human flu virus must have taken time to develop. But it somehow wasn’t detected by hundreds of flu monitoring stations across the globe. On April 24, 2009 Dr. John Carlo, Dallas County Medical Director, alludes that the H1N1 strain of the Swine flu as possibly being engineered in a laboratory. He says: “This strain of swine influenza that’s been cultured in a laboratory is something that’s not been seen anywhere actually in the United States and the world, so this is actually a new strain of influenza that’s been identified.” (Globe & Mail, Canada)

--- I have no idea what he's talking about here and I don't even care enough to google. His conspiracy theories about virus origins really have no bearing on whether or not a vaccine is safe. ---

11. Recall the swine flu scare of 1976. In a politically charged atmosphere where Gerald Ford was seeking election to the Presidency, the swine flu suddenly appeared at a military base. Vaccine was produced and millions of Americans were vaccinated. But the vaccine was worse than the disease, causing hundreds of cases of Guillain Barre syndrome and a few deaths. In a replay of the past, the White House is directly involved in promoting the H1N1 2009 swine flu vaccine. The federal government will use federal funds to pay off schools to administer vaccines, promote vaccination via highway billboards and TV advertisements, and conduct military-style mass inoculations in such rapid fashion that if side effects occur, it will be too late. The masses will have been vaccinated already. Over $9 billion has been allotted by the federal government to develop and deliver an unproven and experimental flu vaccine. Don’t be a guinea pig for the government.

--- I'll only address the reference to the 1976 swine flu and Guillain Barré. He is referring to the U.S. government 's decision in 1976 to vaccinate 43 million people against swine flu that unfortunately went terribly wrong.
"Not only did the dreaded outbreak never materialize, but some 500 Americans who did get vaccinated came down with a rare neurodegenerative condition called Guillain-Barre syndrome, which many experts believe was linked to the shot. Twenty-five of those 500 people died.
One thing that's already different about this year's H1N1 virus: The 1976 virus never spread beyond 240 soldiers stationed at Fort Dix, N.J., while the current outbreak has already sickened more than 200,000 people worldwide, killing 2,200 or more, according to the World Health Organization"
Swine Flu Vaccine Seems Safe: Experts - US News and World Report
And yes, it is true that Guillain-Barré has been linked to the influenza vaccine. In 1976 of course in those high numbers BUT since then it is only estimated to have caused GBS in 1 or 2 cases per million vaccinated persons per year.
Influenza on the other hand, is estimated to cause 4-7 cases of GBS for every 100,000 cases of influenza. That's 40-70 cases of GBS in a million!
1-2 in a million chance vs 40-70 in a million chance? The vaccine is still looking a whole lot safer than the flu to me.
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12. Researchers are warning that over-use of the flu vaccine and anti-flu drugs like Tamiflu and Relenza can apply genetic pressure on flu viruses and then they are more likely to mutate into a more deadly strain.

--- I have read this as well. That is a concern as I understand. Viruses also mutate on their own, from environmental infuence, the use of antibacterial soap, etc etc Hopefully science can continue to keep up with or ahead of these viruses. Better than doing nothing IMO. ---

13. Most seasonal influenza A (H1N1) virus strains tested from the United States and other countries are now resistant to Tamiflu (oseltamivir). Tamiflu has become a nearly worthless drug against seasonal flu. According to data provided by the Centers for Disease Control, among 1148 seasonal flu samples tested, 1143 (99.6%) were resistant to Tamiflu!

--- I don't know anything about this, your google is as good as mine. We treat the flu with rest and fluids. Besides, how does this help the argument against the flu vaccine? If this flu medicine doesn't work well, wouldn't it be a good idea to just protect yourself from getting the flu....? Hmm hmm. ---

14. As the flu season progresses the federal government may coerce or mandate Americans to undergo vaccination. France has already ordered enough vaccine to inoculate their entire population and has announced that vaccination will be mandatory. The US appears to be waiting to announce mandatory vaccination at a later date when it can scare the public into consenting to the vaccine. The federal government is reported to be hiring people to visit homes of unvaccinated children. This sounds like the Biblical account of Pharaoh attempting to eradicate all the young Israelite baby boys. Must we hide our babies now?

--- Oh puh-leez. I really don't see the comparison between encouraging people, even aggressively so, to protect their children (and the public in general - herd immunity) with maliciously killing boy babies of a certain religion. At all. ---

15. Public health authorities have cried wolf every flu season to get the public to line up for flu shots. Health authorities repeatedly publish the bogus 36,000 annual flu-related deaths figure to scare the public into getting flu shots. But that figure is based on the combined deaths from pneumonia in the elderly and the flu. Maybe just 5000-6000 or so flu-related deaths occur annually, mostly among individuals with compromised immune systems, the hospitalized, individuals with autoimmune disease or other health problems. As stated above, the swine flu in full force has only resulted in ~500-600 deaths in the first six months in circulation and it is far more dreaded by public health authorities than the seasonal flu. The Centers for Disease Control issues a purchase order for flu vaccines and then serves as the public relations agency to get the public to pay for the vaccines. Out of a population of 325 million Americans, only 100 million doses of flu vaccine have been administered each year and no epidemic has erupted among the unvaccinated.

---36,000 (on average) people do die each year as a result of having contracted influneza. If that is because they had compromised immune systems to begin with, or were elderly and developed complications, or actual cause of death was eventually pneumonia, whatever, they still died because they got the flu.
CDC - Seasonal Influenza (Flu) - Q & A: Questions and Answers Regarding Estimating Deaths from Influenza in the United States
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16. The news media is irresponsible in stirring up unfounded fear over this coming flu season. Just exactly how ethical is it for newspapers to publish reports that a person has died of the swine flu when supposedly thousands die of the flu annually? In the past the news media hasn’t chosen to publicize each and every flu-related death, but this time it has chosen to frighten the public. Why? Examine the chart below. The chart shows that the late flu season of 2009 peaked in week 23 (early June) and has dissipated considerably.

While every childhood flu-related death should be considered tragic, and the number of flu-related pediatric deaths in 2009 is greater than prior flu seasons as a percentage, in real numbers it is not a significant increase. See chart below:

According to data provided by the Centers for Disease Control, for week 34 ending August 29, 2009, there were 236 hospitalizations and 37 deaths related to the flu. That would represent just 5 hospitalizations and less than one death per State, which is “below the epidemic threshold.”

--- I agree the media is irresponsible and often fear-inciting. Not unlike the author of this! And I hate charts so I skipped that part. ---

17. Public health officials are irresponsible in their omission of any ways to strengthen immunity against the flu. No options outside of problematic vaccines and anti-flu drugs are offered, despite the fact there is strong evidence that vitamins C and D activate the immune system and the trace mineral selenium prevents the worst form of the disease where the lungs fill up with fluid and literally drown a flu-infected person. The only plausible explanation as to why the flu season typically peaks in winter months is a deficiency of sunlight-produced vitamin D. Protect your family. Arm your immune system with vitamins and trace minerals.

--- Not! many studies have found that there is NO link between vitamin C and stronger immunity from cold or flu, and in fact, taking excessive vitamin C not only doesn't improve your immunity, but can give you diarrhea. So you'll still be sick, plus you'll have the runs. Fun!
Vitamin C: Do High Doses Prevent Colds?

Sunlight-produced vitamin D on the other hand may inhibit the flu, so there may be some truth there as to why flu season peaks in the darker winter months.
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18. Will we ever learn if the flu vaccine this year is deadly in itself? In 1993 the federal government hid a deadly flu vaccine that killed thousands of nursing home patients. It was the first year that flu shots were paid for by Medicare. The vaccine-related mortality was so large that this set back the life expectancy of Americans for the first time since the 1918 Spanish flu! Mortality reports take a year or two to tabulate and the federal government may choose not to reveal the true mortality rate and whether it was related to the flu or the vaccines. You say this couldn’t happen? It did in 1993!

--- Huh, imagine that, the only claim Sardi actually backs up with a link is to an article he wrote himself, and even in that article, I can't find any proof to back up his claim, He should have left this whole point out as it makes him look like a conspiracy-theorist wacko ---
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Blah, blah, blah .... I found your "commentary" way more interesting & informative that his article! lol Thanks for sharing this with us! It was interesting at best!
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They did a pretty thorough bashing of this on the snopes boards too. I don't know if I'm allowed to link the discussion here though. Your comments were great, btw!
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There's a board on Snopes? I never knew that! I Snope EVERYTHING... seriously, I have pissed people off debunking their facebook updates with Snopes links, but I have never really looked around the site beyond the thing I was trying to verify/debunk... hmmm, something to check out tomorrow!
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There's a board on Snopes? I never knew that! I Snope EVERYTHING... seriously, I have pissed people off debunking their facebook updates with Snopes links, but I have never really looked around the site beyond the thing I was trying to verify/debunk... hmmm, something to check out tomorrow!
I love Snopes too! I finally got a friend to stop forwarding me insane e-mails because literally every single one I'd hit "reply to all", link to the snopes article and include the message "it took me 30 seconds to check snopes." Snarky, I know, but it worked!
You can find the link to the message boards on the main snopes page on the far right side. I used to post there, but I never felt like I had much more to contribute than "I agree with you guys!" so I stopped, but I still lurk there all the time.
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I've read this article before, and I found your commentaries very interesting. I like reading both sides to every topic, because I like to see where people are coming from. I just wanted to point out something. Squalene, which is also called MF59, according to the link that you posted - Squalene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia IS in at least the Novartis H1N1 vaccine, as indicated here - http://www.novartis.com/downloads/ne...fact-sheet.pdf.

Four different companies are making the H1N1 vaccines this year, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, SANOFI-AVENTIS and ASTRAZENECA. I have not yet researched the ingredients of the vaccines coming from the latter three companies.
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This site: Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccines Composition and Lot Release has the information sheets that are sent with the different vaccines.
The glaxo smith klein one does have squalene, but the link I found said it was from the UK, so I don't know if its for sure in the US formulations of the vaccine: http://health.gsk.com/docs/UK_Pandemrix_PIL.pdf
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Gah! I think my computer ate my post! I'll try again.
Here's a link to the FDA's site with information on the different vaccines. Influenza A (H1N1) 2009 Monovalent Vaccines Composition and Lot Release

The glaxo smith klein vaccine does have squalene, but the link I have says its from the UK, so I can't say for sure if the US formulation has it or not http://health.gsk.com/docs/UK_Pandemrix_PIL.pdf

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I've read this article before, and I found your commentaries very interesting. I like reading both sides to every topic, because I like to see where people are coming from. I just wanted to point out something. Squalene, which is also called MF59, according to the link that you posted - Squalene - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia IS in at least the Novartis H1N1 vaccine, as indicated here - http://www.novartis.com/downloads/ne...fact-sheet.pdf.

Four different companies are making the H1N1 vaccines this year, Novartis, GlaxoSmithKline, SANOFI-AVENTIS and ASTRAZENECA. I have not yet researched the ingredients of the vaccines coming from the latter three companies.
Thanks for the more current info, I have edited my post for it. Seems the info I had read was a wee bit out of date - up until a month ago the squalene adjuvant MF59 had not been approved by the FDA, but according to what I just now read, it has been now, as of 09/15 I think it said.
Novartis completes shipment of US supply of Fluvirin® seasonal influenza vaccine

That new info doesn't lessen my opinion though. If using a rigorously tested adjuvant improves the effectiveness of the vaccine, and allows more vaccine to be produced, yay, more people can be protected!
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