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November 16th, 2010, 12:35 PM
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I know that I heard somewhere that even if you are vaccinated against pertussis then you can still be a carrier? Does anyone have that link or information on it? I can't seem to find it anywhere! I also wanted a link to how unvaccinated kids ARE NOT the reason there is outbreaks of whooping cough!
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November 17th, 2010, 10:29 AM
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I don't have a link, but I've read that information before. Just about every well done article I've read on the subject states the amount of vaccinated to unvaccinated who contract the illness. Hope you find some good info. I'll look and see if I can find anything.

Found this article. Vaccination Is Steady, but Pertussis Is Surging - NYTimes.com
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November 17th, 2010, 10:53 AM
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this is interesting Acellular pertussis vaccination enhances B. parapertussis colonization — CIDD
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November 17th, 2010, 01:51 PM
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You are definitely still a carrier even if vaxed....but I'm not the link queen that michelle was...try our search feature with whooping cough or pertusis.

I think even the CDC site (if I remember correctly ) says that it just helps the symptoms of the disease??? Not sure....

Check out Dr.Tenpenney as well
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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November 17th, 2010, 08:31 PM
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The way to really make sense of this vaccine is by first looking at how pertussis infection works: person is exposed to b.pertussis bacteria, breathes it in, where the bacteria clings to the cilia in the lungs and releases the pertussis toxin, which then progresses to the symptoms of pertussis infection. The vaccine creates antibodies for the pertussis toxin but not the bacteria, so the vaccinated can still carry the bacteria, even if their antibodies to the toxin prevent them from developing symptoms of pertussis. Basically, the vaccine reduces transmission because vaccinated people are less likely to develop the full symptoms of pertussis; the bacteria is spread through coughing and sneezing, therefore, less coughing and sneezing reduces the spread of the bacteria. Long story short: the vaccine isn't completely useless, but its certainly not enough to wipe out pertussis.
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November 18th, 2010, 08:26 AM
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Awesome .. thank-you for all that great info!
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November 23rd, 2010, 03:50 AM
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My daughter and I just came down with whooping cough. I was told that many times when vaccinated kids develop it they don't have symptoms OR have lesser symptoms (simply cold-like symptoms, etc). When I brought my daughter in to be seen for a cough they said she was ONLY being tested because she wasn't vaccinated (I had mentioned that her school class had been coughing for about two months - my daughter had held out from getting sick for the majority of that). The test ended up coming back positive.

What I find awful is that she wouldn't have been tested had she been vaccinated! No wonder they always think things are coming from unvaccinated kids if they aren't testing the vaccinated ones! Fortunately, my daughter has been lucky and has simply had a bad cough - she doesn't act sick at all. I was told after five days of antobiotics she could return to school.

Me on the other hand... it is hitting me super hard. I *was* vaccinated but I know that being an adult most of that immunity has worn off...
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November 24th, 2010, 12:21 PM
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My daughter and I just came down with whooping cough. I was told that many times when vaccinated kids develop it they don't have symptoms OR have lesser symptoms (simply cold-like symptoms, etc). When I brought my daughter in to be seen for a cough they said she was ONLY being tested because she wasn't vaccinated (I had mentioned that her school class had been coughing for about two months - my daughter had held out from getting sick for the majority of that). The test ended up coming back positive.

What I find awful is that she wouldn't have been tested had she been vaccinated! No wonder they always think things are coming from unvaccinated kids if they aren't testing the vaccinated ones! Fortunately, my daughter has been lucky and has simply had a bad cough - she doesn't act sick at all. I was told after five days of antobiotics she could return to school.

Me on the other hand... it is hitting me super hard. I *was* vaccinated but I know that being an adult most of that immunity has worn off...
Yep, after 5-10 years, it wanes.
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