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February 22nd, 2011, 10:23 PM
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I'm pretty disturbed at this and the "unavoidably unsafe" is pretty nauseating.
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February 23rd, 2011, 08:39 PM
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I am not really sure what to say. Someone just being ignorant and overpowered with misinformation was much easier to accept than a court saying that vaccines are unavoidably unsafe and yet demanding that children get all of the 70 and growing doses of "unavoidably unsafe" vaxes. How can people really think that the gov't (specifically the judicial system) is here to protect us when something like this happens???? Sometimes I would rather live in a third world country... I would move now but my son wouldn't survive without the meds and medical care he is getting here.
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February 24th, 2011, 07:02 AM
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disturbing and disgusting. UGH
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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February 24th, 2011, 06:08 PM
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Wow.. That makes my stomach turn, I'm not even going to show DH he will freak out..
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February 24th, 2011, 08:06 PM
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"Unavoidably unsafe" is a legal term that applies to pretty much all pharmaceutical products. It basically mean that there is no way to make the product completely free from side effects or adverse events in some users. For lack of a better example, peanut butter could be considered "unavoidably unsafe" because some people will have an allergic reaction, no matter how well the product is developed.
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February 25th, 2011, 12:18 PM
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But they put on peanut butter jars that it contains nuts and people with the allergies know to avoid it. Vaccines are implied as being 100% safe so the fact they admit they are "unsafe" and yet refuse to compensate people for injuries resulting from that is appaling...
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February 25th, 2011, 12:42 PM
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But they put on peanut butter jars that it contains nuts and people with the allergies know to avoid it. Vaccines are implied as being 100% safe so the fact they admit they are "unsafe" and yet refuse to compensate people for injuries resulting from that is appaling...

Yes...that is the part that really makes me upset...


though I didn't know that about the phrase...thanks for the insight
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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February 25th, 2011, 04:32 PM
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No reputable source implies that vaccines (or any other drug) are 100% safe. The manufacturers, the CDC, FDA, et al all acknowledge that there is an unavoidable risk of injury in a small number of recipients.

The problem is the bizarre spin being put on this case. The family's claim was denied in vaccine court because they were not able to meet the burden of proof, which is lower than would be expected in a state or federal court. The Supreme Court ruling wasn't about whether they were entitled to compensation, but whether they should be able to sue in a state court. In other words, does the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Act of 1986 preempt all design defect suits, including those whose claims were denied in Vaccine Court?
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February 25th, 2011, 04:42 PM
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I personally don't feel the ruling was fair. One of the hallmarks of the Act of 1986 was for claims to first be heard in Vaccine Court before the plaintiff could file a suit in lower courts. Granted, if your claim is denied in Vaccine Court, the odds of winning in state or federal court is very slim, but families should be able to so if they've already played by the NVICP's rules. ETA: I think Justice Sotameyer (sp?) hit the nail on the head when she questioned whether the ruling was made out of fear of what will happen when the Omnibus Autism Proceedings wrap up; those 5000 families would be looking to sue in lower courts, too.

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February 25th, 2011, 05:11 PM
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ETA: I think Justice Sotameyer (sp?) hit the nail on the head when she questioned whether the ruling was made out of fear of what will happen when the Omnibus Autism Proceedings wrap up; those 5000 families would be looking to sue in lower courts, too. I understand that protecting the vaccine manufacturers is a necessary evil, but this is just too much.
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