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March 14th, 2011, 04:15 PM
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My DD's doctor seemed less than amused when I told him I wasn't doing the chicken pox vaccine..
He admitted that it's mainly so parents don't miss work, but also told me that even if she gets the pox naturally, she's not going to be immune because she won't be exposed to it due to the vaccine..
Is there any truth to this?
The way he put it made it sound like she was absolutely going to get shingles because her immunity will wear off if she gets the pox..
Kind of freaked me out!
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March 14th, 2011, 06:32 PM
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Wow. Where is this dr getting this info?

If someone is exposed to chicken pox naturally they are immune. The chicken pox vaccine is only about 70-90% effective and the immunity wears off. It is also a live vaccine, so she could still come down with chicken pox (probably a milder case though).

As for shingles - chicken pox and shingles are caused by the same virus. A study done in 2002 suggests that adults who recovered from chicken pox naturally are more protected from shingles. The CDC's language about getting shingles after being vaccinated is very vague but they do admit that the vaccine can potentially cause shingles.

Chickenpox Vaccine Facts ? National Vaccine Information Center
http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p4202.pdf

Hope that helps some! Don't let the Dr bully you - it sounds like he doesn't even know the facts about the disease he wants to vaccinate against.
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March 14th, 2011, 07:02 PM
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As far as shingles, you're kind of screwed either way. If you catch chicken pox naturally, the virus hangs out in your nerves forever and can reactivate and cause shingles later. I had chicken pox as a child and have had shingles twice now in my 30's. Since the chicken pox vaccine is a live vaccine, I would think the virus could survive in the nerves just like with a natural infection. From what I've read, I think that the chicken pox vaccination campaign will ultimately result in a greater incidence of shingles, since older people (even us in our 30s) are no longer getting a "booster" from natural exposure to others with chicken pox and without it we don't suppress varicella in our nerves as well.

When I challenged DD's old doctor about why I should give my child a vaccine against chicken pox, she basically said it was so I wouldn't have to miss work when she was sick. If that's the best reason they can come up with, it's not much of a reason.
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March 15th, 2011, 05:53 AM
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Ditto the above...I've heard that it's cause there is no repeated exposure...BUT if live virus vaccines shed....and you are around children who got the vaccine (pretty much any 1 year old with vaccinations)...I wonder if that exposure is enough. My children caught chicken pox when I was pregnant with my 3rd....so my older two have had it. I'm on the look out for it htough I'd like to re-expose them and expose my younger two as well....

Anyway....the doctor I had at the time (I was vaccinating then) explained it to me in the same manner and when I said no thanks he shrugged his shoulders and said ok "since you are a stay at home mom it really doesn't effect you much" is what he told me when he was explaining the reasoning to it. The chicken pox shot is one of the silliest I know of. IMO....

Anyway....so there you have it!
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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March 15th, 2011, 07:58 AM
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Your doctor is right: having CP naturally does not mean she will be immune for life. Once upon a time it did, because the wild virus was still circulating and giving natural "boosters," but now you really have to seek out exposure. The vaccine does shed, but the virus is too weak to likely transmit to someone else; it can happen, but its highly unlikely. CP has become one of those "darned if you do, darned if you don't" things.
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March 28th, 2011, 08:14 AM
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Danny's old ped went on a royal tirade about how if you get the pox you are susceptible to this secondary infection from the blisters that 1 in 10,000 kids got when pox was everywhere and that most don't survive from. I had never heard that before and never heard it since. If the secondary infection is the dangerous part then prevent that...not the pox. Sheesh...
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