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April 15th, 2011, 01:45 PM
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I started taking Layne to an ND (doctor of naturopathic medicine) back in early Feb to help detox him from his very serious adverse reaction to his one year vaccines back in Jan.

I really like our ND and the supplements she put Layne on have helped him a lot! In fact I started looking back into my other children's health histories and i've discovered that their vaccinations were likely to blame for many of their unexplainable health problems. My 3 year old started having seizures a couple of months after his one year shots but I never linked it together and of course none of the doctors or specialists I brought him to mentioned vaccines as a culprit (why would they, ugh)!!!

Anyways I started taking my 3 year old ds to the ND and I'm still taking Layne in every few weeks too. My only complaint is the cost With our insurance ND appts are covered and it's only a $15 co-pay but I seem to never leave her office without spending a lot of money. She keeps adding on new supplements and then she always wants to schedule follow ups with the boys every few weeks. Is this normal? My DH is starting to complain about the mounting costs. Money is really tight right now so we can't really afford to keep going in all the time. I've mentioned this to the ND several times but then today we started talking about allergy testing and she mentioned that she could have my 3 year old allergy tested and that it's only $130 for the test. I already dropped $80 today on 2 new supplements so I declined but I'm bringing Layne in for another follow up next Friday so I'm sure she'll mention it again. It's not that I don't want him to have this test done because I do, but we just can't afford it I feel like a bad mom for having to turn down a test but my DH would freak if he knew I spent another $80.

For those of you who take your child to an ND how often do you bring them in? Do you only bring them in once in a while or on a regular basis? At this point I'm bringing both boys in at least once or twice a month. How often do you buy supplements? I haven't had to refill any supplements yet but I'm starting to run low on a couple of them and I know I'm going to have to buy more soon. Do you get your supplements through the ND or do you buy them on your own?

As much as I like our ND she doesn't have any kids and I don't think she realizes how tough it is to raise 5 kids on one income. She keeps mentioning how we should shop at places like Whole Foods but there is just no way! I'm really struggling trying to keep up with all the appointments, tests, supplements and dietary guidelines on our measly budget. We are supposed to be trying a gluten/dairy free diet but I'll admit I'm having trouble sticking to it 100%.

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April 15th, 2011, 04:06 PM
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What supplements does she have you giving them? (curious at what cost they'd be elsewhere) is it something that is a vitamin or is it something she's had mixed up just a certain way? Do you know?

HUGS...I WISH we could afford going to an ND but our insurance wont cover a cent!
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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April 15th, 2011, 05:22 PM
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Many years ago I went to an ND and I saw her, i think, once a month, but as you say, most of the cost was the supplements and it was easily $200-300/month. I would ask if there are alternative brands you can use that may be more wallet friendly or if some are not as necessary as others.
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April 15th, 2011, 07:06 PM
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Danny's ND wasn't covered at all and seemed to only be making things worse...so we officially stopped going. It was costing about 150 per month just for Danny. I would tell her that you really need her help but if she can't let you know the most vital or most important things than you will have to figure out another solution. Out ND would give us things that had expired for example. Danny's zinc had "expired" 2 days before our visit so we got for free since he couldn't sell it legally after it expired. He waited for someone who really needed a break and that supplement and then gave it to them free. I would definitely let her know that money is really tight and that you need to help you kids but you can't do everything that she thinks might help. Try one thing at a time...no testing...no extras...no added benefits. Have her do what she knows will help....aka detox...and take things one step at a time. (((HUGS))) I really hope things lighten up soon.
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April 15th, 2011, 08:52 PM
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Our ND has Maddie and I on supplements which we can get at her office or health store, but I have found they are much cheaper online. I go in about every 4-6 weeks but Maddie is pretty healthy so she went at 12 months and won't go back until 18 months.
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April 17th, 2011, 10:13 AM
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I love our ND - she doesn't particpate in any insurance programs, so it's gotten expensive but she is the only one who has helped us make any progress with Jackson. We go about once a month right now, but she is confident once we work out Jackson's digestive problems improved we won't need to see her very often at all. She is very understanding about the cost as well. She has 5 kids and her husband is a stay at home dad.

She hasn't given us any supplements (other than his formula) to get on a regular basis - just remedies that are very inexpensive and she mixes them in her office each time. She has been testing and adjusting the remedies each visit. She did suggest Bach flower remedies to me but mixed some in her office for me (at no charge!) and then later recommended that I pick a couple up. Jackson's new formula is the only real regular expense we've incurred out of this ($43 per container every 5 days right now! OMG) but she only sold us the first container - she told me to search online to see if I could get it cheaper. But his constant diahrea that he's had since 3 months old has STOPPED so we will live with that cost until he is able to digest solid foods.
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What formula is he on?
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The formula is called Ultra Care for Kids by Metagenics. It's normally used as a supplement for kids with severe food allergies and/or atopic disorders but we are mixing the powder with coconut milk and adding DHA to make it more complete. I have to order it online - not sold anywhere around here except through ND's or MD's offices.

It's ridiculous how expensive it is but his stomach cramps, constipation, diahrea and green stinky slime poops are gone.
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Wow...probably a LOT better than what Danny was on. He was on a formula called Neocate Jr for almost a year. It was $50 bucks a can and you had to get it through a pharmacy. :/ It would only last 2 days but thankfully insurance paid for it. I am really glad that one is helping him.

I looked up that formula and about fell over...

Contains NO: high fructose corn syrup.
Formulated to Exclude: wheat, gluten, yeast, soy protein, egg, stimulants, dairy products, nuts or artificial colors, sweeteners or preservatives.


That would have been a miracle food for Danny a few years back. The formula he was on as 48% HFCS. ICK! It gave him diarrhea (as a reaction...it wasn't supposed to) but he isn't allergic to corn. If I hear of anyone with issues I will definitely have to let them know about this. A formula free of all of these allergens is impossible to find!!!!
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Oh wow $50 a can for 2 days!! That's great that your insurance covered it. WOW! Our old pedi mentioned Neocate so that our ins would cover it (she was trying to save us money, the recommendation had nothing to do with helping Jackson). We looked into it but the way our insurance is set up it would have been about $40 a can through the pharmacy.

We don't think Jackson is allergic to corn either (haven't done any blood work for allergies yet). He was on Alimentum before and was definately reacting. The difference is amazing. His OT actually took a look at the container today and said she has a couple families she will tell about it. It smells amazing too - like a vanilla shake lol
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What supplements does she have you giving them? (curious at what cost they'd be elsewhere) is it something that is a vitamin or is it something she's had mixed up just a certain way? Do you know?

HUGS...I WISH we could afford going to an ND but our insurance wont cover a cent!
Sorry it took so long to reply. Some of the supplements are just vitamins I can buy in store or online (like the fish oil, multivitamin, vitamin D, etc). The other supplements are ones i've never heard of before and would have no idea where to buy them. A few of the supplements I can share between both boys. For example both of them use the same probiotic, Vit D, fish oil & multi vitamin so that helps a little.

I think I will talk to the ND about spacing out appointments and only going when needed. We have a $1500 max per person for ND visits and at this rate i'm going to max out soon and then I wont be able to bring them in if I really need too. The ND told me she would work with me once our insurance benefits max out and can put me on a payment plan, but once my benefits run out for the year then I wont be going until the start of a new year. There is just no way I could pay out of pocket for visits and keep up with the supplements.
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((((HUGS)))) It is such a headache...is there anyway to find one that is more affordable but still good?
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We aren't to give a baby milk, berries, or peanut butter. We are to introduce new foods one at a time. But it's OK to inject several viruses, bacteria, aluminum, formaldehyde, phenoxyethanol, animal serum, mercury, squalene and more into an 8 week old? I don't think so.
In order to be healthy it is an unfortunate fact that people must be allowed the opportunity to be ill. I trust my body and those of my children to work correctly against the relatively benign diseases they vax for, and do not trust the ingredients in the vaccinations.
Our choice to not vax isn't based in ignorance, poverty, conspiracy theory and rumor. It's research, common sense, fact and evidence based..something the medical community has largely forgot about.
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