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  #1  
December 16th, 2007, 05:40 PM
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I've read lots of books and online articles, would love to hear some opinions. I got an exercise ball yesterday and wow does it ever make some of the aches go away just sitting on it!! I'm so gonna bring it to the hospital with me (couldnt get a midwife so I could have a home birth dammit Will make best of what I can)

I know forsure, NO epidural, no induction, Im very against both of those, no episiotomy (sp?) I would rather tear naturally, I do not want to lie on my back at all if I can avoid it, and I do not want to be hooked up to a fetal monitor and be forced to stay in bed not mobile at all. I dont want them to use a vacuum or forceps on me. I want a natural as possible birth so to say. My hospital doesnt have birthing tubs DAMMIT so thats out I know to many women IRL that were pushed into doing things they didnt want to do, werent necessary or didnt feel comfortable with.

I can't lie on my back at all anymore, it hurts a lot. I've read that its better to give birth on your side because its faster, easier, less painful and less chance of tearing. Do you or dont you agree? I've read that its also better to upright as much as possible, does that mean on your hands and feet, like a bridge position?

How about eating during labour? I plan to, whether they tell me I can or not, energy needed! What are your views on that?

I'm trying to get my boyfriend to start the perineal massage on me, but hes being stubborn. I cant reach! Are there benefits for that? I have read conflicting arguments.

I will talk to my OB when I see him on tuesday as well, I need to know my hospitals policies and such. I'm also not afraid to tell any of the hospital staff to stuff it if they tell me I need to do something that I'm not comfortable with, or if myself or my boyfriend feel they are telling me to do something just to make it easier for them. I'm not afraid to give birth at all btw I want whats best for ME, not them!!
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December 16th, 2007, 05:55 PM
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Hi there! I'm a doula and Lamaze certified childbirth educator.

1. Love the birthball. In the hospital you can prop it next to your bed, sit on it and lean forward so your upper body is resting on the bed, you can also place it ON the bed and kneel with your upper body draped over it.

2. Just bc they don't have a tub doesn't rule out "hydrotherapy"-don't underestimate the power of a warm/hot shower! And unlike at home the hot water is guaranteed not to run out in the hospital.

3. Upright positions will open your pelvis allowing the most room for baby to pass-this includes squatting (they usually have squat bars that attach to the foot of the bed), standing (this is how I had my last baby) or kneeling (you can put the back of the bed totally upright, kneel and hold onto the back while pushing) these positions are great for getting baby past the pubic bone but to lessen the chance of tearing, you can't go wrong with sidelying-it makes the crowning more gradual (more pressure with upright)

4. If you can't get dh to do perineal massage don't worry-just have him apply really warm wet washcloths to the pernieum during the pushing stage-feels great and makes the tissue nice and stretchy. Don't let the nurses or docs do any aggressive massage on you-I've seen LOTS of internal tears as a result of this

5. Research supports eating a low residue diet during labor (meaning easily digestable food-nothing too fatty) risk of aspiration is really, really low and some studies have found stomach acid (with an empty stomach) to be more problematic than actual undigested food...most women will find their appetite naturally decreases during active labor while thirst increases-sports drinks, water, and juices are great.

Best of luck to you!
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December 16th, 2007, 06:49 PM
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I agree with everything JerseyJess said. Just wanted to say from personal experience, I didn't do any perineal massage before labor but during delivery my midwives used the warm washcloth technique described above. My baby had a 39.5 cm head and I didn't tear, so I am a big believer in that! Good luck with your birth!
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December 17th, 2007, 06:59 AM
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Ditto Ditto Ditto!

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December 17th, 2007, 08:25 PM
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Ditto to everything that JerseyJess said. Do not expect your doctor to support you at all, I would hire a doula strait away.
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December 17th, 2007, 09:35 PM
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I've read lots of books and online articles, would love to hear some opinions. I got an exercise ball yesterday and wow does it ever make some of the aches go away just sitting on it!! I'm so gonna bring it to the hospital with me (couldnt get a midwife so I could have a home birth dammit Will make best of what I can)

I know forsure, NO epidural, no induction, Im very against both of those, no episiotomy (sp?) I would rather tear naturally, I do not want to lie on my back at all if I can avoid it, and I do not want to be hooked up to a fetal monitor and be forced to stay in bed not mobile at all. I dont want them to use a vacuum or forceps on me. I want a natural as possible birth so to say. My hospital doesnt have birthing tubs DAMMIT so thats out I know to many women IRL that were pushed into doing things they didnt want to do, werent necessary or didnt feel comfortable with.[/b]
Good for you for being knowledgeable in your needs.
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I can't lie on my back at all anymore, it hurts a lot. I've read that its better to give birth on your side because its faster, easier, less painful and less chance of tearing. Do you or dont you agree? I've read that its also better to upright as much as possible, does that mean on your hands and feet, like a bridge position?[/b]
There are some stickies for labor positions. Laying on your back is NOT a good position.
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How about eating during labour? I plan to, whether they tell me I can or not, energy needed! What are your views on that?[/b]
You can and should eat during labor if you feel the need to. Google is your best friend here, just type in "food to eat during labor" and you'll get a bunch of healthy choices. I ate during mine.. I had some eggs, pudding, gatorade, chips (and because we didn't bring food with us...oops) some part of my DH's cheeseburger and fry. LOL!

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I'm trying to get my boyfriend to start the perineal massage on me, but hes being stubborn. I cant reach! Are there benefits for that? I have read conflicting arguments.[/b]
Perineal massage is a MUST IMO. I've never heard conflicting arguments. Present your DH with the benefits/need of perineal massage and he'll come around.

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December 17th, 2007, 11:12 PM
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More dittos to Jess, from another doula. I've heard the same conflicting information about perineal massage - even my midwife said that it might or might not make a huge difference. She recommended evening primrose oil instead, just massaging it into the perineal tissue to soften and prime it. Granted, I did this instead of perineal massage and I did tear - but I had no compresses (I don't think they realized she was coming so quickly!) AND I had had second degree tears with my first DD, so I already had that working against me. It might be more effective for a first time mom that's never been torn to begin with.

Good for you for knowing exactly what you want! I hope everything goes according to your plans and you have the best birth experience possible. I hate that you couldn't find a midwife to do a home birth, but you're obviously a strong woman who will stand up for what you want. I'm sure you'll be just fine.
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December 18th, 2007, 11:53 AM
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Hi there!!! I ditto everything everyone else said! I didn't do perineal massage because dd came early, right when we were supposed to start. She came out with her hand up by her face (can't remember the technical name for that, sorry!), so it wasn't just her head coming out first, it was her head AND her hand/arm and I didn't tear. My midwife did the warm compresses with me, and I really think that's why I didn't. My mom was a midwife for 20+ years when I was growing up and she said the perineal massage worked for some and not for others (never know which you'll be, and who knows if that's why they didn't tear, or if they just had stretchy skin), so she told people if they wanted to do it, then by all means, go for it, but if not, she really thought the warm compresses made a bigger difference than the massage. Couldn't hurt though, if you can talk your bf into it.

And my appetite decreased considerably while in active labor too, although I was VERY thirsty, so I drank ALOT!! But I did eat when labor started, and, of course, when it was over.

I labored in all different positions - hands and knees, supported squat, on my side (which I HATED, BTW - it hurt much worse than any other position - don't know why), sitting up, laying down - basically whatever worked. I actually had NO desire to get in the tub, which surprised me cuz I thought I would want to, but I didn't. I ended up birthing sitting up and pushing that way, basically cuz that's the position I was in when she actually started coming out.

Good for you for standing up for what you want!!! Awesome!!

Also, I recognize you from the Feb DDC and just wanted to say "HI!!"
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December 21st, 2007, 12:07 PM
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Thx guys lurking on home birth and natural birth boards are really helping me stay positive. One thing I did forget to ask though, is when do you feel is the best time to cut the cord? I think I would rather wait until the cord stops pulsing. I'm not sure if thats before or after the placenta comes out, and isnt that 10 -20mins on avg? And I wonder if I would have to fight for that. I know a majority of labour is with nurses not the OB himself. I hope Im lucky, my OB is awesome. I hope he can be there and I dont end up with someone on call.

Im not concerned about my OB, because he genuinly CARES about his patients and their well being, and isnt in it just for a paycheck. He listens to me, and gives honest opinions, if he doesnt know the answer to something, he will say he doenst know and who I can talk to about it. That alone is a big thing to me. I mentioned that I dont want a c section to him one day, and he basically said that that is always a very last resort and would never do one unless medically necessary. Im gonna have a huge list of what I dont want when I see him next lol.
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December 21st, 2007, 11:57 PM
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I think its sufficient to say that you don't want the cord cut until it has stopped pulsating. You could say that you don't want it cut until after the placenta has been delivered.
You may want to make clear to him that the cord is not to be pulled on, and (depending on what you want of course) how you want the delivery of the placenta to be handled. A good site to read about options for this is http://www.homebirth.org.uk/thirdstage.htm
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December 23rd, 2007, 01:22 PM
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We waited until it had stopped pulsing, and, honestly, time is so blurred for me at that point, that I couldn't tell you how long it took. I think it took another 10-15 minutes or so after Trinity had come out that I had any urge at all to push the placenta out, but, again, I can't remember times very well from the actual pushing phase of labor. If you cut the cord before it's done pulsing, you could deprive the baby of very rich oxygenated blood from the placenta, so I always recommend waiting until it's done pulsing.
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