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April 16th, 2009, 05:05 PM
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Was very informative. We will not have the chromosone test of the baby for another 2wks or so. But the test of my uteris came back good. No cancer, no molar pg. I think I was most concerned about that part. Now on to all the questions I asked the dr.......

Was my AF last week realy my AF? Yes, it was. I did not bleed, cramp or spot after the d&c for 7days and then got a red flow with clots, very light, but there for 5 days. My body just bounced back quickly, per the dr. Will I have AF in normal 28 days next month, maybe not. Could be irregular for up to 3-6 months. Everyone is different. With my own personal history, I usualy resume regular menstral cycles right away, hope it is still the case.

HCG levels, when do they go down and how fast? He says typically 2-3wks. For me to of had my AF already they should be close to 0. Cannot get AF with high levels in your body. More on HCG levels, does the levels need to double every 48hrs? Yes, up to about 20,000. So everything Ive read on the internet is false? He says that a normal singleton pregnancy will double on the betas every 48hrs until your about 20-30thousand. You will plateau at 50-120 thousand. About 8wks. After 10-12 wks, they go down and continue to go down through the pg. He says normal range for plateau are 120,000. Mine were at 75,000 at 8.5 wks. He says they were probably at 80,000-100,000 at time of my d&c. He does not believe that when they reach over 1200 or 2000, that they can take 3-4 days to double.(read this on the internet) In his opinoin. That is why he felt this pregnancy was threatened since the begining when my levels went from 2400 to 3900 in 48hrs. Did not double. Was 3 days on the doubleing time. That was at 5.5wks. So Im never going through that again, all the internet reading on betas, NO MORE BETA TESTS!

When to try again? Dr. says 3 months, only because many women do not even get AF for 3 months. that is the only reason to delay trying. Since I have confirmed AF already, then to wait till the next AF passes, then I can try.

Dr. recommened seeing a specialist, fertility dr. Im against this, and explained to him that I will try again on my own at least one more time. Three biggest problems that cause m/c according to him: 1. chromosonal issues with baby. #2 blood disorders, clotting. (I have had every blood clotting disorder checked by my internist in the last 2yrs, so no need for this test again). #3 lutel phase defects, ie., hormone inbalance. (don't have this either, I ovulate early and have had 28 day cycles for 3yrs., before then used to be 24days).

So my dr. agreed to a natural aproach to my next pregnancy. I will call and schedule an appt. with him at 9wks. He prefers 8wks, but is willing to give me an extra week. I will not be having any blood work done, no betas, no progesterone, not 10 differnet u/s's. HE will do the u/s at 9wks in his office to confirm the dates. I will not go to an outside services for this, unless he cannot find a heart beat and therefore he would need a second opinion to terminate the pregnancy. After having 4 u/s's last time at the er, and then in the hospital radiology dept, I do not want to go through this again. If I go in at 9wks from my lmp, and he does not see anything, I will know the pregnancy is not viable. IF I get pg before my second AF (we are not preventing) then I will wait until 5wks after May 9th (when I should get my 2nd. AF) to schedule an u/s with him.

I know this sounds so anti-dr,medical intervention, but my anxiety cannot handle all of the tests involved with early pregnancy. In my opinion, blood tests and u/s's cannot save my baby before 12wks. He agrees to let me go natural, and I understand that if its ment to be, it will be. He agrees with this also. I want to enjoy being pregnant and not feel like I have a disease the first 12wks. I have had enough normal pregnancies to know the difference of a good one and a bad one. He also agrees that I know my body well enough to know if there is medical emergency that I will go to the hospital (ectopic pg's, heavy bleeding, cramping and so on.)

So with that said, I feel VERY confident that my next one will be a good one. If not, then I may decide not try again or see a specialist. Those are the options I have given myself. I talked to the poor man for over an hour, and asked everything I could think of and then some more for the questions you all have asked on these boards.

Thanks for being there for me, and I hope some of this is insightful for you as well
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April 16th, 2009, 05:49 PM
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I have had a good day today and this is just awesome news honey! Dang, I am soooooooooooooooooooooo happy for you I just "know" that all will be perfect next time for you.

Big Hugs of happiness!!
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April 16th, 2009, 06:15 PM
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Missy thank you so much for your support, I dont know what I would do without you!
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April 16th, 2009, 07:33 PM
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Glad your appointment was informative. It sounds like you have a good plan for the next time.
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April 16th, 2009, 08:46 PM
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Thanks hun, I had a m/c, then a normal pregnancy & birth, followed by a m/c last month. I had a blood test for Factor V done (I think because I let myself decide there had to be something wrong). It came back negative.

Reading your thoughts has made me feel like I am going to take the same approach. As much as I am a proactive/control person, I don't want to turn getting pregnant and a pregnancy into something more stressful than it already is.

Sometimes I think back to the first time I was pregnant. How I would give anything to be that oblivious to all the bad things!

Good luck with your "no intervention" method. As soon as A/F arrives here, I will be right there with you. Hope we get BFP soon!
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April 16th, 2009, 09:41 PM
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Megal40, thanks for the support. I know this is not for everyone, but for me, will make my life much more bearable. I see so many women in the PAL that have 3 or more u/s, blood work till they cant take any more, and live every day in fear. Im sure I will have fear as well, but want to enjoy as much of it as I can. Plus for me, seeing the heart beat with this one and then two weeks later seeing a still baby on the u/s, was more than I can handle. At least if I get one at 9wks and there is none, I never would of seen it be alive and then gone. I know this sounds heartless, and I dont mean it that way, just want to believe in my heart that its a good pregnancy (if my heart tells me that) until I have reason to know different, kwim?

My first pg, I never even had one u/s!! My dr. did not believe in them, this was 16yrs. ago. No problems, no u/s's, thats what I want to go back to. If I did not have to have one at all, I would go that route. But unfortunately Im 38, so I know I need one for other reasons.
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April 17th, 2009, 09:59 AM
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I know exactly- you aren't heartless at all! We saw hb at 7 weeks and the baby stopped growing at 9. We had an u/s at 12 weeks to find a still baby. I spent 5 weeks telling myself that since we saw a hb then everything had to be fine. Sadly, it wasn't true.

So, I am on day 30 of waiting for AF. Then we will try to grow our family again. Getting pregnant has not been an issue for us so I hope that doesn't change.

I will be looking to you for support when I finally get my BFP and want to go running to the lab! Hopefully you will get your BFP too and we can keep each other from obsessing--too much!

Good luck.
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April 17th, 2009, 10:28 AM
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I am glad you had a good appointment today!
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April 17th, 2009, 11:40 AM
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I know exactly- you aren't heartless at all! We saw hb at 7 weeks and the baby stopped growing at 9. We had an u/s at 12 weeks to find a still baby. I spent 5 weeks telling myself that since we saw a hb then everything had to be fine. Sadly, it wasn't true.

So, I am on day 30 of waiting for AF. Then we will try to grow our family again. Getting pregnant has not been an issue for us so I hope that doesn't change.

I will be looking to you for support when I finally get my BFP and want to go running to the lab! Hopefully you will get your BFP too and we can keep each other from obsessing--too much!

Good luck.
That was exactly how it happened. Im so glad someone understands this besides me. No labs! I will be there for you, whether or not we get our BFP's together, although that would be nice. Its funny how I had to negotiate with the dr. at what point I HAD to see him. I was pushing for 12wks, he said 8, we settled on 9. He's big on u/s to date, even if you know when you o'd. Most women are dying to get an early u/s at 6-7wks, not me anymore. I wish I did not need one at all through the whole pregnancy, like my first. Thanks for listening...
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April 17th, 2009, 02:21 PM
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I agree with you on not getting all of these tests. I think it is hurting me more because I saw the HeartBeat... The loss 6 months ago was so much easier to get through... we think so much alike, and I really wouldn't be doing as well without you! (hugs)
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April 17th, 2009, 02:46 PM
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I'm going to agree with you guys about the seeing the h/b too. With my last pregnancy we saw a h/b at 8wks only to have a still u/s at 11 wks. I will forever have both images in my mind to compare.

And I'm afraid it may be happening again. I saw a h/b at 6 wks. last week and have learned today my progesterone is dropping. I really fear the next u/s.
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April 17th, 2009, 03:46 PM
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Awwwww Jenn, that totally sucks. I am really hoping for good news for you. Nothing personal, but I hope you don't end up here with us
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April 17th, 2009, 03:54 PM
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I'm going to agree with you guys about the seeing the h/b too. With my last pregnancy we saw a h/b at 8wks only to have a still u/s at 11 wks. I will forever have both images in my mind to compare.

And I'm afraid it may be happening again. I saw a h/b at 6 wks. last week and have learned today my progesterone is dropping. I really fear the next u/s.
Jenn, I certainly will pray for your lo tonight. How far did it drop? Progesterone fluxuates (msp) alot, so sometimes it can be off by several numbers. Just for "heroic measures" did your dr. prescribe a supplement? Thats what my dr calls it, and I did go on them at 6.5 wks with a strong h/b, and they did go way up, but still the baby died at 8wks. I pray yours will bounce back, kup.
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April 17th, 2009, 04:07 PM
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Thanks guys. Well, my numbers went from 33 to 19. Quite a drop, huh? I'm starting prometrium today. I did the same thing with my last pregnancy, and my progesterone went from 16 to 263, but I still lost the baby. However, with my son I was also a 16 and he was born healthy (also supplemented w/prometrium).

I guess it could go either way, but having just gone through a m/c I just can't calm my nerves. And you know what is so ironic-- I just read online that stress can lower progesterone. Crazy.
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I'm so glad you got so much info from you appt. I was curious to see if that was really AF so soon. Thanks for that info just in case someone else ever asks.
I look forward to see how things progress over the next few months for you. Did you say when you were going to ttc again?
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April 17th, 2009, 05:54 PM
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Sheila, I will by ttc this next cycle. Just like the dr. did say, although I did have a confirmed AF, the next one may be off.. Im not preventing this month either, so we will se what happens.

Jenn, I know how you feel about the progesterone. My dr. told me that I had 4 healthy pg's without supplements, and that if my levels were dropping, than it was a bad sign. He did give me the supplements, for my own piece of mind. And they did go from 8.9 to 26.4 in two days. The day of the u/s they were at 8.9, with a strong h/b of 133, baby measured 6w4d. The baby grew to 8w0 days, so this tells me the dr. was right, that when the progesterone is low to begin with, with my normal pg history, than its a pg that should not happen. I just did not want to believe him. That is the reason for the natural approach next time, I now know that theirs nothing that will save a pg that is not meant to be to begin with.

I do know that their are alot of women whom have saved their babies with the supplement, but usually these are women who need it with all of their pgs. My Dr. said that he would give it to me and if the pg went full term he would never be sure if it was due to the supplements or not. If it failed, he knew that the progesterone dropped because it was supposed too. I hope this helps. Like he says, with progesterone issues, its like what came first "the chicken or the egg"? We never really know if it saved the pg or not.
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April 17th, 2009, 07:58 PM
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I think the natural approach sounds like a good idea. I know I'd be going crazy trying to analyze every symptom to see how I thought it was progressing. It would be a difficult 5 weeks or so to reach that 9 week milestone. However, on the flip side, all this testing is driving me batty too.

I'm very glad you had a good appointment and such a caring, supportive doctor (who listens!!).
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April 18th, 2009, 07:41 PM
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I'm glad that your appointment went well, and that your doctor was so informative and understanding.

Jenn - I'm sorry that you're going through this, hon. You and your LO will be in my T&P. Please KUP. *HUGS*
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