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March 21st, 2010, 08:31 PM
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How do you feel about this as an American that this bill has been passed and President Obama will sign it into law.

This article explains how it will affect the family with children.

House passes health care bill on 219-212 vote - CNN.com
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March 22nd, 2010, 05:26 AM
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I feel like our country is screwed and I should just start digging my own grave now, because when I hit 65 they will just give me the middle finger. Sorry, I know that sounds grouchy, but I am just so upset over this bill. I did my part and I did NOT vote for Obama, so that's all I could do.
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March 22nd, 2010, 07:11 AM
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I feel the same way Candace, I hate how this whole thing came about. Closed door meetings, 2700 page bill, voting in the sweetheart deals on only the promise that they'll get rid of them later? Um excuse me since when can we trust you? I feel especially bad for people on medicare, they're already getting screwed because lots of clinics and doctors have quit taking medicare patients because it doesn't pay out enough to even cover inflation. Now they're cutting half a trillion from medicare and putting more people on it? It's insane. This is not democracy in any sense of the word, but congress and the government apparently think they know what's best for us.
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March 22nd, 2010, 07:21 AM
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I can't stand what he is doing to this country. I did not vote for him because of his socialist views. I can't believe this bill passed. IMO this is something that the AMERICAN's should have votde on. They should have put this on the ballet and let us speak.
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March 22nd, 2010, 07:42 AM
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I'm going to jump on the anti-Obama train! I put a response on the TTC#1 board post, but our economy can't handle this. Obama speaks of listening "to the people and hearing the people"....but he practices selective hearing because many many people were against this, he just chose not to listen to them. I am concerned how this is going to affect me and my family.

Obama is a good speaker, but he is not fit to be a president. What he is doing is going to be a mess for the future president's to clean up. The biggest problem with political figures is that much of the legislation they pass regarding healthcare, retirement, and so on...doesn't affect them because they exclude themselves and opt for the lucrative government plan. Did you know that if you spend one term as an elected representative that you are guaranteed a pension provided for by the US government....WOW, why don't they enact legislation that gives the rest of us citizens that right. You know, we could all work for 4 years and then the government will give us $100K a year until we die plus full benefits. This is why I plan to run for a seat in about a decade.
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March 22nd, 2010, 07:54 AM
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I just want to ditto what all of you girls said! I am very anti-Obama and have been since the very beginning! He has not done one thing he said he would do since he's been in office! Yes he sure can talk a good game, but all that means in my opinion is he can BS with the best of them!
I agree with you Candace, by the time we're 65 all we're gonna get is that middle finger b/c that's all that's going to be left to give!
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March 22nd, 2010, 08:54 AM
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I don't like the bill, but I will still take "socialist" Obama any day over Bush or any other person the right wing has been trying to shove down our throats the last decade. If that party (Republican) wasn't - and this is just my opinion - such BS, I could be a republican, in a different world.

but seriously, I think this bill sucks. And in general, I think our politicians suck.

And imo I don't think any one person can ruin America. Despite the crap political parties and skeezy politicians, it is OUR country. And I for one am sick of them whether they be republicans or democrats, telling us what we feel, what is important to us, and what I think should be done. It is all BS!

I just had to get my 2 cents out there since I know JM is primarily composed or right wing women. Oh and why does everyone say Obama hasn't done anything he said since he would be in office? He has been in a year, and he has the health care crapola done now, he did the stimulus he said he wanted to do for the economy. He started on trying to revoke that don't ask don't tell stuff. What else should he have gotten done? Do you have examples from past presidents and how they compare? I honestly don't know and would like to hear more about this. I would watch cable news but ... I have standards j/k , sorta

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March 22nd, 2010, 09:05 AM
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DITOOOOOOOOOO CANDACE. Big ol fat THUMBS DOWN. I'm wearing black today. I'm in mourning,
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March 22nd, 2010, 10:14 AM
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I should have worn black today! Obama is taking away our rights as Americans. EVERYTHING this country has stood for is being shattered by this one man (well at this point, one political party....and I usually dont care for parties, just the persons values) in less than 2 years. I feel terrible for little Lilyan who is going to have the absolute brunt of this entire situation. Why on earth would our government, who supposedly represents us, sway from what the AMERICAN people WANT? On CNN.com last week I think like 55+% of Americans were against the Bill....yet they still pass this thing. I don't usually like to voice my opinion on politics because its such a sensitive subject, but this just has my blood boiling.
My husband thinks Obama is a terrorist and I agree. If you base what a terrorist is off of definition alone, he represents that to a 'T'. Here is the definition from thefreedictonary.com "An individual who uses violence, terror, and intimidation to achieve a result". He isn't using violence but I definitly think he is using intimidation.
I would really love to see ALL of the government system use this so called Healthcare Bill for themselves and their family. They may claim they will be there is no way in hades that is going to happen. I am so blessed to have (outrageous premium) insurance through my company because I don't want to be a part of that train wreck. God help us and our country because that's exactly what is missing....GOD! I just encourage everyone to put your faith in God because, as always, that's the only person you can trust 100% of the time. Ok, Im dont ranting....please just ignore my post if you disagree.

P.S. I encourage everyone to also purchase a gun, ammo, and a permit. Whether its you, your SO, or DH....do it! That's the next Amendment he is going to take away....right to bare arms! DH and I purchased one almost a year ago and we keep it in the house for our own protection. I HATE guns, but I also hate the idea more of someone telling me what I CANT own in my own home for protection. Ok...again, vent over!
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March 22nd, 2010, 10:48 AM
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I am not American but I don't have any issues with the healthcare reform It isn't going to affect our taxes as we make less than 250K a year so I don't get what the big deal is?

Coming from a country where everyone has free healthcare I thought this would be a good thing for America?!?

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P.S. I encourage everyone to also purchase a gun, ammo, and a permit. Whether its you, your SO, or DH....do it! That's the next Amendment he is going to take away....right to bare arms! DH and I purchased one almost a year ago and we keep it in the house for our own protection. I HATE guns, but I also hate the idea more of someone telling me what I CANT own in my own home for protection. Ok...again, vent over!
don't even start me on that.... IMO it should be taken away, but again maybe its all about what you are used to? it is illegal to have firearms in Australia unless you live in the bush LOL
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March 22nd, 2010, 10:52 AM
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lol tam, I ditto both your points. But, I think that's because I also come from a country that has universal health care & where firearms are illegal.
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March 22nd, 2010, 10:54 AM
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lol tam, I ditto both your points. But, I think that's because I also come from a country that has universal health care & where firearms are illegal.
Australia and Canada

It still baffles me that this country doesn't have universal healthcare I thought the US was always in the 'lead' but obviously not!
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March 22nd, 2010, 10:59 AM
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I am not American but I don't have any issues with the healthcare reform It isn't going to affect our taxes as we make less than 250K a year so I don't get what the big deal is?
Nope it's going to affect the taxes!!!!!!!!!! News Headlines
I hope it doesn't affect our taxes increase like CAnada you always see their merchandise are few dollars more than American dollars on products...

in that article you see a poll made that says Do you support President Obama's plan to overhaul American health care? You will see 75% opposed and 25% supported Obama's plan.

I'm on medicare and medicaid and I am concerned! This blows!
I have health conditions and with this new bill, I probably would have to wait a few months to get in MRI or anything else thanks to Government controlling our health! I do not want America to turn into communist and toying with our health.
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March 22nd, 2010, 11:05 AM
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Ahh.. firearms. Don't get me started. It's our RIGHT.

But I guess my mom always said, "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all". So I guess this is where I will say nothing.
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March 22nd, 2010, 11:10 AM
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I do support firearms. Yes it's our right to own a gun. ONLY FOR protection.. not intended to kill or for enjoyment. I grew up knowing my father had a licensed gun under the car seat for protection. All my life, He taught me how to shoot on target so I know how to aim if I was ever to own a licensed gun. I chose not to buy a gun at this point. My step father has a licensed gun. I don't get why Canada and Australia are banned from letting their people have their own gun for protection?

I just looked up Canadian's law.
RKBA. The Right to Keep and Bear Arms in Canada. gun ban, gun control, handgun ban, C 68, gun registry, long gun registry, handgun registry, confiscation, gun rights, self defense, public safety, gun facts, gun myths
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March 22nd, 2010, 11:15 AM
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Gonna go with Michelle on this one...not thrilled with democrats or republicans but...

As someone who pays an extra $400/month just to have DH and now DS on my health insurance plan...I got no problem with it...though I think that he dragged his butt on it way too long, and it should have been finalized in August...

Not quite sure what everyone is so upset about since it was something that he talked about in the campaign repeatedly, and it certainly didnt come out of left field - it is a much a very watered down version of what he talked about back then (probably more similar to McCain's plan then it is to his original plan)...its got no public option or anything...

I mean, it remains to be seen how effective it will be because it is weak, but...

Curious as to what you are mourning?

1. Being able to be on your parents insurance till you are 26 (this would have really helped me since I broke my kneecap at 25 and had - couldnt afford - insurance at the time...

2. Insurance not being able to deny coverage to pre-existing conditions...

3. Insurance not being able to drop coverage...

4. expands financial assistance to those getting into the medical field...

It isnt socialism, every first world country besides the US has health insurance as a right - from Canada to England, to Australia, to Israel...but we dont label those countries as socialist...

Getting better care can make us all more productive, which is a good thing...

Not gonna touch the gun thing...dont quite know what to say about that...no one is taking the right to own a weapon away from anyone...
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March 22nd, 2010, 11:25 AM
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Oh and why does everyone say Obama hasn't done anything he said since he would be in office? He has been in a year, and he has the health care crapola done now, he did the stimulus he said he wanted to do for the economy. He started on trying to revoke that don't ask don't tell stuff. What else should he have gotten done? Do you have examples from past presidents and how they compare?
First off, I do want to say that IMO George W. Bush didn't leave Obama with a good palate to work from. I was not a fan of Obama to begin with....but he is considered the president so he is going to get blamed for whatever happens. From a middle class standpoint, nothing he has done has benefited me, it is only leaving for an unknown future or taking more $$ from my paycheck.

Obama has promised many things, but change is slow and people expected Obama to deliver NOW! A person that is not so widely credited is Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton actually reduced the national debt and created a surplus of funds for the government, but then George W. Bush came in and ruined that one. Right now with Obama's stance for creating more jobs when there are none to be created is a big problem and now with the healthcare reform and the tanking economy...our pockets can't afford this right now. Yes, the healthcare plan says it will reduce the overall healthcare spending...but that is just a theory right now and it will probably be years before we ever see any relief. Our focus should be stabilizing our economy.

Another thing that Obama does that hurts us is his lack of support for the military. The USA puts it's nose into everything....and we've become many people's enemies for that, but we do it for our economy sake. Cutting our defenses is not good. I, honestly, think it should be a requirement for every person running for presidency to have military experience. Without a strong military, we have nothing....we might as well surrender our freedoms! Cutting the expenses of the military and making those men and women who serve use second rate planes, equipment, and vehicles is just absurd. When the crap hits the fan, I want the military to be behind us and stocked. And I fully agree with Candace regarding protection.

And lastly and one of my personal peeves...is that Obama (and this is strictly Obama) sticks his nose into business that is not a concern for any president. Such as making comments about the police officer who arrested the Harvard professor who was uncooperative. Any officer that finds someone crawling through a window is going to detain that person....But what makes it worse is that the professor refused to cooperate and identify himself to the officer. From a law enforcement perspective, that officer did the right thing....only to be ridiculed by the president. Really?! What president does that?! Another comment made by Obama was about Las Vegas. That businesses should not be going to Las Vegas for business and that people need to stop spending money there. I applaud the mayor of las vegas for saying that Obama is not welcome there. Vegas is a tourist town....it's how they make money and those employees make a living. Why would a president make such an annoucement and target vegas? He should be looking at the economy as a whole and not targeting one city. OK, I will stop there.

I vote for the candidate and not a particular party. I have voted democrat, republican, liberal and independent. Unfortunately, the only candidate I saw any worth in was Ron Paul and unfortunately, he didn't make it. I want someone who represents and upholds the Constitution but many of the candidates lack that.
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March 22nd, 2010, 11:28 AM
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Yes the health bill will insure every person (great!) HOWEVER many medical staffs would be overwhelmed with 31 MILLION PEOPLE in America... how would we get more medical staff if everyone is going to be insured. There are not enough medical staffs to help everyone. PLUS Doctors get reimbursed from insurances like Medicare/Medicaid and others.... with this new bill... they would have to get approval from government INSTEAD of insurances. How would government know how to say yes or no to the doctor. I do not trust the government for once.

This new bill is going to take a lot of money out of people's paychecks and I dont like it! Many people are struggling to meet ends yet this bill is going to help everyone? Wait and see how this will affect us. I'm just concerned about the numbers of doctors with 31 million Americans in short time!
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March 22nd, 2010, 11:32 AM
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Gonna go with Michelle on this one...not thrilled with democrats or republicans but...

As someone who pays an extra $400/month just to have DH and now DS on my health insurance plan...I got no problem with it...though I think that he dragged his butt on it way too long, and it should have been finalized in August...

Not quite sure what everyone is so upset about since it was something that he talked about in the campaign repeatedly, and it certainly didnt come out of left field - it is a much a very watered down version of what he talked about back then (probably more similar to McCain's plan then it is to his original plan)...its got no public option or anything...

I mean, it remains to be seen how effective it will be because it is weak, but...

Curious as to what you are mourning?

1. Being able to be on your parents insurance till you are 26 (this would have really helped me since I broke my kneecap at 25 and had - couldnt afford - insurance at the time...

2. Insurance not being able to deny coverage to pre-existing conditions...

3. Insurance not being able to drop coverage...

4. expands financial assistance to those getting into the medical field...

It isnt socialism, every first world country besides the US has health insurance as a right - from Canada to England, to Australia, to Israel...but we dont label those countries as socialist...

Getting better care can make us all more productive, which is a good thing...

Not gonna touch the gun thing...dont quite know what to say about that...no one is taking the right to own a weapon away from anyone...
I didn't intend to go off topic, but I was in a rant ....here are some articles I found on Obama and firearms. Some say that he has never said that he will take away the right, but organizations has reason to believe one day he will....take it for what you will.

FOXNews.com - Obama Driving Surge in Gun Sales, Firearms Groups Say

Obama Pushing Treaty To Ban Reloading

The first step in banning firearms - NewsandSentinel.com | News, Sports, Jobs, Community Information - Parkersburg News and Sentinel
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