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Rape incidents in prison are so much taken for granted by prisoners and the general public alike that few have considered the historical or sociological aspects of the practice.
It has often been said that prison staff tacitly tolerate prison rapes as a form of control. Whether they are consciously aware of it or not, they are simply following a long historical tradition of rape as punishment.
In the Arab countries, for centuries, an intruding man caught in the harem was turned over to the slaves to be used for their sexual pleasure. Rape of captive soldiers in war was common amongst Arabs, Persians, Greeks, and Romans. The tradition apparently continues, with a recent report of the International Commission of Jurists in Geneva documenting the rape of numerous teenage Palestinian boys in Israeli military detention centers, as part of both punishment and interrogation routines.[/b]
Well I have heard of it happening. My FIL is about to go to trial for molestion of a minor child and he suspects this will happen to him. And frankly while it is wrong that it is allowed to happen I can't say that in his case it is undeserved as thats what he did to a helples child. So i guess I have mixed feelings.
I think the officials that let it go on should be punished but I can't say in certain cases I am sad it happens..
I have believed for a long time that in order for so many prisoners to be raped & harmed in other ways while within prison walls it is because we as a society allow it, encourage it, and/or don't care. While I feel that it is important for us to imprison people for public safety - I do not support or condone allowing any prisoner to be allowed to be inhumanely treated & that includes looking the other way when it comes to rape. Even for heinous offenders I do not think it is permissible or appropriate for an enlightened society to be willing to not on;y see it as "what happens" in that kind of environment, but to actually think of it as almost a desired outcome in a prison setting. (I would LOVE a barf emoticon here!)
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Well I have heard of it happening. My FIL is about to go to trial for molestion of a minor child and he suspects this will happen to him. And frankly while it is wrong that it is allowed to happen I can't say that in his case it is undeserved as thats what he did to a helples child.[/b]
He forcibly penetrated the child? Usually molestation implies something less brutal.
Well I have heard of it happening. My FIL is about to go to trial for molestion of a minor child and he suspects this will happen to him. And frankly while it is wrong that it is allowed to happen I can't say that in his case it is undeserved as thats what he did to a helples child.[/b]
He forcibly penetrated the child? Usually molestation implies something less brutal.
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Yes.. it started and continued for years as molestion then progessed to an actual rape of a 10 year old girl..
I dont ever think its right or okay to rape another person, but i have hard time feeling bad for the for rapists, especially those who abused children, who are now on the receiving end.
I have been raped and I strongly believe that NO ONE deserves to go through that kind of trauma.[/b]
Same.
How is allowing prison rape to happen, or simply turning our backs when it does, conducive to rehabilitation? If the idea of the prison system is to rehabilitate offenders, this doesn't help. All it does is tell them we don't think they're humans with equal rights to everyone else. Why should they play nicely in society when they get out? Not to mention it tells rapists that sometimes rape is okay, as long as you do it to someone nobody likes anyway.
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Ok, I'm going to be totally honest here, and its not going to make me sound so great.
The rapists, child molesters, child abusers, ect. the ones who are more likely to be raped (other prisioners aren't fond of people who hurt/rape children, or women), I have a real hard time feeling bad for them. Most time I kind of feel like they deserved it. You took something away from someone. Something so personal, so private, and something they will never get back. They have to live with what you did for the rest of their life and it will affect them every day. So, you get raped and beaten in prision and I have a strong feeling that that's just the universe's way of taking care of you. Karma can be a real b.
But then my soft bleeding heart liberal side kicks in and says that making any person suffer is simply wrong, and that its not up to us as humans to see that they are punished in such a matter, and that their creator will take care of them.
I hate when I'm torn on issues like this. My "whats right and wrong" side is in argument with my "vengence now" side.
Mostly, I just want the a-holes locked up for a very long. Very, very, very long. Life possibly.
Well I have heard of it happening. My FIL is about to go to trial for molestion of a minor child and he suspects this will happen to him. And frankly while it is wrong that it is allowed to happen I can't say that in his case it is undeserved as thats what he did to a helples child.[/b]
He forcibly penetrated the child? Usually molestation implies something less brutal.
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Yes.. it started and continued for years as molestion then progessed to an actual rape of a 10 year old girl..
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And see, those would be the people I have a really, really hard time feeling bad for.
Ok, I'm going to be totally honest here, and its not going to make me sound so great.
The rapists, child molesters, child abusers, ect. the ones who are more likely to be raped (other prisioners aren't fond of people who hurt/rape children, or women), I have a real hard time feeling bad for them. Most time I kind of feel like they deserved it. You took something away from someone. Something so personal, so private, and something they will never get back. They have to live with what you did for the rest of their life and it will affect them every day. So, you get raped and beaten in prision and I have a strong feeling that that's just the universe's way of taking care of you. Karma can be a real b.
But then my soft bleeding heart liberal side kicks in and says that making any person suffer is simply wrong, and that its not up to us as humans to see that they are punished in such a matter, and that their creator will take care of them.
I hate when I'm torn on issues like this. My "whats right and wrong" side is in argument with my "vengence now" side.
Mostly, I just want the a-holes locked up for a very long. Very, very, very long. Life possibly.
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<div class='quotemain'>Well I have heard of it happening. My FIL is about to go to trial for molestion of a minor child and he suspects this will happen to him. And frankly while it is wrong that it is allowed to happen I can't say that in his case it is undeserved as thats what he did to a helples child.[/b]
He forcibly penetrated the child? Usually molestation implies something less brutal.
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Yes.. it started and continued for years as molestion then progessed to an actual rape of a 10 year old girl..
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And see, those would be the people I have a really, really hard time feeling bad for.
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How does one rationalize, justify, condone or, even, applaud the rape of a rapist but fail to acknowledge or realize that the inmates "paying him back" or "punishing" him are, therefore, rapists, themselves. We don't bat an eyelash at the thought of prison rapists being released back into society, we seem to consider the rapes they perform to be a form of community service.
A rape is a rape. A rapist is a rapist.
Most people would be up in arms if someone were to assert that a rape victim that was dressed provocatively or behaved flirtatiously deserved to be raped or, somehow, invited the attack. Yet, we don't hesitate to assign blame to the victims of rape that occurs within prison walls. It is "part of the package" and, if you don't want to be raped, don't commit a crime. Rape as a brutal, dehumanizing violation of human rights is acknowledged, accepted and encouraged, as long as it occurs within the prison walls. Rape is nothing more than the prison joke punch line. Watch Law and Order or CSI, the characters on these shows consistently threaten the suspects they investigate and interrogate with the fate that awaits them in prison, foretelling....promising...a future of being raped, multiple times by multiple people, with a smile of their faces.
Being raped in prison is counterproductive, it's a complete contradiction, to rehabilitation. So, please, anyone, tell me how becoming a rapist in prison holds any benefit to an inmates future in society.
I said it was wrong.. I said it shouldn't be aloud. But I also said I have a hard time feeling sorry for him while the rest of us have to deal with what he did. Rape is wrong in any instance, but maybe I shouldn't participate in this debate since I am dealing with the personal aspect of all this..
I said it was wrong.. I said it shouldn't be aloud. But I also said I have a hard time feeling sorry for him while the rest of us have to deal with what he did. Rape is wrong in any instance, but maybe I shouldn't participate in this debate since I am dealing with the personal aspect of all this..[/b]
I was raped by two men that took turns holding me down while the other one raped me. I am not emotionally removed from the topic at hand, quite the contrary. However, I can't condemn the act of one rapist while condoning the actions of another rapist. They are cut from the very same cloth. They both committed the very same crime.
There is outrage and anger when a rapist/molester is given any sort of leniency in the courts. We demand harsher sentencing, claiming that rapists have no place in society. We don't hear these demands when, every single day, rapists, those who perpetrated their crimes against other prisoners, are released or paroled back into society.
A rape is never justified. The victim of rape is never to blame, regardless of any circumstances. Saying that the actions, behavior and/or decisions that led to an inmates incarceration, somehow, justifies the crime of rape committed against him, is no different than saying that a woman getting drunk, wearing a mini skirt or walking down the street alone is justification for being raped. Either way, there is a rapist and there is a rape victim. That humanity, respect and compassion, among other basic human characteristics, that was lacking in the two men that rape outside of prison is also lacking in the person(s) that rape inside prison.
I am sorry that happened to you and hope you can use your experience to help others deal with it. However I do agree with you in the sense that is wrong no matter the circumstances. But I can't really say much on why I feel the way I do because the trial starts in a month. And its highly publisized and I would be afraid since its the same last name I have..
I said it was wrong.. I said it shouldn't be aloud. But I also said I have a hard time feeling sorry for him while the rest of us have to deal with what he did. Rape is wrong in any instance, but maybe I shouldn't participate in this debate since I am dealing with the personal aspect of all this..[/b]
I was raped by two men that took turns holding me down while the other one raped me. I am not emotionally removed from the topic at hand, quite the contrary. However, I can't condemn the act of one rapist while condoning the actions of another rapist. They are cut from the very same cloth. They both committed the very same crime.
There is outrage and anger when a rapist/molester is given any sort of leniency in the courts. We demand harsher sentencing, claiming that rapists have no place in society. We don't hear these demands when, every single day, rapists, those who perpetrated their crimes against other prisoners, are released or paroled back into society.
A rape is never justified. The victim of rape is never to blame, regardless of any circumstances. Saying that the actions, behavior and/or decisions that led to an inmates incarceration, somehow, justifies the crime of rape committed against him, is no different than saying that a woman getting drunk, wearing a mini skirt or walking down the street alone is justification for being raped. Either way, there is a rapist and there is a rape victim. That humanity, respect and compassion, among other basic human characteristics, that was lacking in the two men that rape outside of prison is also lacking in the person(s) that rape inside prison.
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I feel the same as lady in waiting. Its hard for me to feel badly for them, even though a big part of me wants too.
I spent the vast majority of my childhood being raped/molested by various people, along with it happening in my teen years by three classmates. None of these people served time. Nothing was ever reported. Maybe that is why I have such a hard time feeling for these scum of the earth people. I've never seen anyone actually brought to justice. I figure, what happens in prison is nature's way of taking care of their punishment.
I'm not saying its right. I'm just being honest about how I feel. From what I've seen and from what I've experienced, I feel like its "getting back at them", I know its not a healthy way to view things. I have a thearpist who likes to tell me that, over and over and over again (its very annoying). I don't want their lives to be nice and easy. Go away to prison for a few years, get some thearpy, and go back to a normal life. Because their victims lives, never go back to being normal. No matter how much thearpy they have, no matter how much they try to deal, it never takes back what happened.
Honestly, I wish there was a different way to rehabilitate the people who go to jail. I couldn't say what, just a different way. I don't think anyone should be raped, and while in some ways and in a fit of anger I may feel "eye for an eye" is right, I honestly don't think anger would dissipate just because revenge was exacted. I just wish there was a different way.
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