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October 18th, 2009, 04:01 AM
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My apathy is a combination of fatigue from crappy things our system allows by it's nature and knowing that 48 hours is tiny in the scheme of things. Some of the new hype will have you believing that that whole 48 hours will determine all your parenting. Hell, some people actually argue that they way we are born determines our personality and affects us forever. It's entirely too much pressure for new mothers.
Torrie I totally agree.
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It doesn't matter what other people think about bonding, a mom shouldn't be forcibly separated from her newborn for 48 hours for a reason that goes against all current scientific evidence. I think you're combining two different issues because you have a problem with the fact that many place a huge emphasis on initial bonding.

The policy is ridiculous. I love how their plan for making things better is to allow the father of the baby to bottle feed pumped milk to the newborn. #1 he has been exposed to the virus as well and may pass it along, and #2 they make an assumption like pumping is that easy.
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It doesn't matter what other people think about bonding, a mom shouldn't be forcibly separated from her newborn for 48 hours for a reason that goes against all current scientific evidence. I think you're combining two different issues because you have a problem with the fact that many place a huge emphasis on initial bonding.

The policy is ridiculous. I love how their plan for making things better is to allow the father of the baby to bottle feed pumped milk to the newborn. #1 he has been exposed to the virus as well and may pass it along, and #2 they make an assumption like pumping is that easy.
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Unfortunately, this doesn't answer the question of what should be done about formula fed babies whose mothers are sick and can't/don't breastfeed. Do you separate them and try to avoid the baby getting the virus, since it could be bad without the mother's antibodies?
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Unfortunately, this doesn't answer the question of what should be done about formula fed babies whose mothers are sick and can't/don't breastfeed. Do you separate them and try to avoid the baby getting the virus, since it could be bad without the mother's antibodies?
Yes I'm interested to hear what happens with formula fed babies as well.
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I wouldn't trust the way they convey the policy and its implementation. It could just be a recommendation, plus the first part of the story seems cut off. I don't think it could happen without consent.
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October 18th, 2009, 11:00 AM
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. #1 he has been exposed to the virus as well and may pass it along, and #2 they make an assumption like pumping is that easy.
Absolutely and also to add that breast milk does lose some of the antibodies when it's pumped.
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Unfortunately, this doesn't answer the question of what should be done about formula fed babies whose mothers are sick and can't/don't breastfeed. Do you separate them and try to avoid the baby getting the virus, since it could be bad without the mother's antibodies?
Simple: give the mother the facts and let it be her call. A significant amount of antibodies crosses the placenta during labor, so if the mom is already sick then baby will get some protective antibodies; if labor is cut short for a c-section, that's less transplacental antibodies for baby. So even if baby is formula fed, s/he would still have some protection if mom labored.
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October 18th, 2009, 11:21 AM
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My apathy is a combination of fatigue from crappy things our system allows by it's nature and knowing that 48 hours is tiny in the scheme of things. Some of the new hype will have you believing that that whole 48 hours will determine all your parenting. Hell, some people actually argue that they way we are born determines our personality and affects us forever. It's entirely too much pressure for new mothers.
So - the "pressure" of believing that it matters how you interact with your baby following birth is more than being pressured into handing over a baby you just gave birth to in order not to see them for 2 days? I don't follow. It really does sound like you don't have apathy but rather anger towards some idea that early bonding matters & you are confusing the two issues. YOU may not think it matters - and that is your prerogative, but for those that really want their baby with them, THIS is an immense amount of stress to put on a new mom & a sick new mom at that. Heck I know moms who were stressed over not being able to hold their baby while in a billilight/box (I was one of them) - and those babies generally are rooming in. How can you not think the stress of being separated is good if the mom doesn't want the separation? Not to mention it is BIOLOGICALLY normal to have a strong emotional response to the separation for mother & baby since newborns KNOW their mother instantly (proven repeatedly through studies where an infant will turn toward the smell of it's own mother's milk over & over & turn away from he smell of other mother's milk...and the mother's need to be close to her baby...

I actually have never read any hype that says that the first 48 hrs will determine all of your parenting. I have read studies like I said regarding an infant's ability to know it's mother even by smell alone, how much better babies do when rooming in vs being in a nursery, what a difference early & frequent nursing makes to the predictability of long term BF success, etc...that is far from determining all of your parenting, but significant enough to weigh in for sure & give some weight to not overstepping into causing any unnecessary separations.

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Simple: give the mother the facts and let it be her call. A significant amount of antibodies crosses the placenta during labor, so if the mom is already sick then baby will get some protective antibodies; if labor is cut short for a c-section, that's less transplacental antibodies for baby. So even if baby is formula fed, s/he would still have some protection if mom labored.
ITA - it still remains to be the mom's call - all moms just need to be told the REAL risk/reward ratios & allowed to make a decision they are comfortable with. Medical professionals are ALWAYS free to make recommendations & I have NO problem with them doing so as long as they dont' try to artificially sway a patient's decision by giving one sided information.
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October 18th, 2009, 05:37 PM
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So - the "pressure" of believing that it matters how you interact with your baby following birth is more than being pressured into handing over a baby you just gave birth to in order not to see them for 2 days? I don't follow. It really does sound like you don't have apathy but rather anger towards some idea that early bonding matters & you are confusing the two issues. YOU may not think it matters - and that is your prerogative, but for those that really want their baby with them, THIS is an immense amount of stress to put on a new mom & a sick new mom at that. Heck I know moms who were stressed over not being able to hold their baby while in a billilight/box (I was one of them) - and those babies generally are rooming in. How can you not think the stress of being separated is good if the mom doesn't want the separation? Not to mention it is BIOLOGICALLY normal to have a strong emotional response to the separation for mother & baby since newborns KNOW their mother instantly (proven repeatedly through studies where an infant will turn toward the smell of it's own mother's milk over & over & turn away from he smell of other mother's milk...and the mother's need to be close to her baby...
I think it matters, but I am tired of people overstating it. Adopted children do just fine, premature children do just fine (assuming their physical issues are overcome.), so while we should present it as an ideal, it reaches a level of hysteria I read in some of these posts. I worry how that hysteria affects young women in a delicate stage of their life. All this anxiety that surrounds modern mothering.

But a couple of you are right, I am conflating two issues. It's not been a good couple of days and my brain isn't as sharp as normal.

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I actually have never read any hype that says that the first 48 hrs will determine all of your parenting.
You're reading different posts and talking to different people than I do.
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