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October 17th, 2009, 01:47 PM
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Seriously? I would stay home & try for an unassisted birth if I had to - no joke. There is NO way I would let them tell me they were taking my baby for 48 hrs.
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Bah it's a video so I can't see it right now! Someone wanna give me a quick rundown?

Is this a preventative meausre in case mom *may* have H1N1 or because mom has one?
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Bah it's a video so I can't see it right now! Someone wanna give me a quick rundown?

Is this a preventative meausre in case mom *may* have H1N1 or because mom has one?
If the mom comes in and delivers her kids with flu symptoms, then the baby will be kept separate from her for 48 hours.

I don't have a problem with it.
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October 17th, 2009, 02:18 PM
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So only for symptoms? Not for the actual H1N1 are the mother's being separated from their babies?

Ummm no. I would discharge myself and go home to recover.
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October 17th, 2009, 02:31 PM
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Bah it's a video so I can't see it right now! Someone wanna give me a quick rundown?

Is this a preventative meausre in case mom *may* have H1N1 or because mom has one?
If the mom has symptoms that could be H1N1 - as it sounds...

BUT to me it doesn't matter. I have seen with my own eyes enough times where I got super sick & Ds either was the only one in the family that never got sick or got it SOOOOOO mildly - you can't convince me that a BF baby should be separated from mom over the flu. The quick "test" for H1N1 only tests for the flu type - and H1N1 is a "type A" - there are other flus that are also type A - so as far as I know they can't really test accurately for it in a timely manner - it takes time, so it isn't like a strip test that they could even know that quickly whether or not it could be H1N1. Thus the 48 hr wait.
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October 17th, 2009, 02:34 PM
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I always thought it was recommended to breastfeed even when you have the flu.

If you aren't breastfeeding I still think it is sad that you won't be with your baby for 2 days. I honestly can't imagine.
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October 17th, 2009, 02:38 PM
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I've had the seasonal flu pretty bad twice when my son was very young. Never once did I separate myself from him and I continued to nurse him throughout. He never got sick.

Separating a newborn from it's mother, should be the mother's choice, not a hospital. How is a mother supposed to breastfeed (if she chooses to)when the child is separated from her? The first few weeks are the most important in establishing a breastfeeding relationship.
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October 17th, 2009, 02:40 PM
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This is from the CDC itself:
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CDC and Swine Flu and Breastfeeding


  • Recomendations (from CDC)
    • Infants who are not breastfeeding are particularly vulnerable to infection and hospitalization for severe respiratory illness. Women who deliver should be encouraged to initiate breastfeeding early and feed frequently. Ideally, babies should receive most of their nutrition from breast milk. Eliminate unnecessary formula supplementation, so the infant can receive as much maternal antibodies as possible.
      If a woman is ill, she should continue breastfeeding and increase feeding frequency. If maternal illness prevents safe feeding at the breast, but she can still pump, encourage her to do so. The risk for swine influenza transmission through breast milk is unknown. However, reports of viremia with seasonal influenza infection are rare./a>
      Expressed milk should be used for infants too ill to feed at the breast. In certain situations, infants may be able to use donor human milk from a certified milk bank.


      Antiviral medication treatment or prophylaxis is not a contraindication for breastfeeding.
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October 17th, 2009, 03:11 PM
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I have seen with my own eyes enough times where I got super sick & Ds either was the only one in the family that never got sick or got it SOOOOOO mildly - you can't convince me that a BF baby should be separated from mom over the flu.
Charlie actually gets sick way less often than anyone else in our family, I'm presuming for this very reason.
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If the mom comes in and delivers her kids with flu symptoms, then the baby will be kept separate from her for 48 hours.

I don't have a problem with it.
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October 17th, 2009, 03:21 PM
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If the mom comes in and delivers her kids with flu symptoms, then the baby will be kept separate from her for 48 hours.

I don't have a problem with it.
Can you clarify for me whether you would be okay with the hospital telling you this, or are you okay with a hospital enforcing this policy with all mothers whether the mother consents or not?
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October 17th, 2009, 03:55 PM
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Absolutely unacceptable. I would not allow it. I honestly don't see how a mother would agree to that.
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Can you clarify for me whether you would be okay with the hospital telling you this, or are you okay with a hospital enforcing this policy with all mothers whether the mother consents or not?
I'm ok with it in that it just doesn't ping my outrage meter. I think all this recent emphasis on early bonding can get a bit hysterical at times. Women will flip out about any little thing that goes wrong in the first few weeks, convinced they've ruined for life now. Sometimes we all just need to take a breath.
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A hospital suggesting it is one thing but forcing you to stay away from your newborn is crazy! Breastfeeding is the best way to build a baby's immune system. I would recover at home if they tried to tell me I had to stay away from my baby.
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I don't agree with them forcing mother and baby to be separated. I agree with the others that BFing is the best way to keep the baby from getting sick. When I was nursing DD, she was the one in the house who NEVER got sick- we were all puking, and she never got any of what we had, and I attribute that to her being BFed at the time. Neither one of my kids was ever really sick during the time I BFed them. I've never been able to pump very much, even if my milk would come in sometime within the 48 hours, so giving baby expressed milk wouldn't be an option either. If they would decide to separate, I can always leave AMA.
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A hospital suggesting it is one thing but forcing you to stay away from your newborn is crazy!
I don't take issue at all with the fact that doctors might recommend this, what I take issue with is the idea that when you check into a hospital you surrender your autonomy. My body is my body. My baby is my baby. Only I (with feedback from my DH) get to decide what is healthful for us. To me, if a hospital tried to separate my baby from me, I said no, and they did it anyway, then that pretty much constitutes a kidnapping.

Doctors are well-educated folks, and I trust them most of the time. But they don't have a monopoly on the truth. I don't like to see them act as though their word is law.
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If I was going to put my newborn baby at risk there would be no question. Keep them away from me for 48 hours. It would be horrendous, but my childs health is the most important thing.

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I'm ok with it in that it just doesn't ping my outrage meter. I think all this recent emphasis on early bonding can get a bit hysterical at times. Women will flip out about any little thing that goes wrong in the first few weeks, convinced they've ruined for life now. Sometimes we all just need to take a breath.
I agree with this.
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