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  #21  
October 19th, 2009, 05:34 PM
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Both places we were at had public washrooms ~ plus it is just normal planning in general.

I was wondering if you've ever been at a peaceful protest before?
I have worked protests and marches as part of my job as a firefighter/paramedic. There is no way in hell I would bring little kids to a protest, even one with every intention of being peaceful (like a group prayer thing). Too much can go very wrong too quickly and that is a risk I am not willing to take with my kiddies...sorry.
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October 19th, 2009, 06:01 PM
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I have worked protests and marches as part of my job as a firefighter/paramedic. There is no way in hell I would bring little kids to a protest, even one with every intention of being peaceful (like a group prayer thing). Too much can go very wrong too quickly and that is a risk I am not willing to take with my kiddies...sorry.
I agree Nay. The most peaceful of protests that started out with good intentions can take a bad turn without warning. What someone is protesting against, there is always someone out there in favor of..hence the possibility of peace turning into chaos.
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October 19th, 2009, 06:06 PM
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Must be a cultural difference here. There just aren't violent protests about midwifery here and the breastfeeding challenges have yet to spark any violence or even a hostile atmosphere. They are just to bring awareness to breastfeeding.

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I agree Nay. The most peaceful of protests that started out with good intentions can take a bad turn without warning. What someone is protesting against, there is always someone out there in favor of..hence the possibility of peace turning into chaos.
It is possible it's more just a regional issue for you and mswordwiz? I'm just curious which peaceful demonstrations have gone violent in your area that gave you that judgement? Also, if it's not that case in other areas, do you feel as strongly?
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October 19th, 2009, 06:16 PM
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I really think it depends on the kind of protest. I would have no problem having my kids at a peaceful environmental protest at almost any age. Anything much more personal though, and I would leave them at home.
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October 19th, 2009, 06:33 PM
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Must be a cultural difference here. There just aren't violent protests about midwifery here and the breastfeeding challenges have yet to spark any violence or even a hostile atmosphere. They are just to bring awareness to breastfeeding.


It is possible it's more just a regional issue for you and mswordwiz? I'm just curious which peaceful demonstrations have gone violent in your area that gave you that judgement? Also, if it's not that case in other areas, do you feel as strongly?
It might be an American thing maybe. I know I am in a different part of America from Nay and Carla, and I wouldn't risk it either.
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October 19th, 2009, 06:35 PM
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It might be an American thing maybe. I know I am in a different part of America from Nay and Carla, and I wouldn't risk it either.
So is it from a personal experience of a peaceful protest going bad? Or is a just a general paranoia?
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October 19th, 2009, 06:43 PM
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Must be a cultural difference here. There just aren't violent protests about midwifery here and the breastfeeding challenges have yet to spark any violence or even a hostile atmosphere. They are just to bring awareness to breastfeeding.


It is possible it's more just a regional issue for you and mswordwiz? I'm just curious which peaceful demonstrations have gone violent in your area that gave you that judgement? Also, if it's not that case in other areas, do you feel as strongly?
What do you mean by a cultural difference?

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It might be an American thing maybe. I know I am in a different part of America from Nay and Carla, and I wouldn't risk it either.
And I agree Katey, it's an American thing for the most part. Some people acting like peaceful demonstrations can't turn chaotic ever.
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October 19th, 2009, 06:49 PM
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What do you mean by a cultural difference?


And I agree Katey, it's an American thing for the most part. Some people acting like peaceful demonstrations can't turn chaotic ever.
Well I'm just wondering if it's a cultural difference between Canada and the US or if it was a regional issue like west/east issue because it seems so strange to me that many of the posters here have a very strong stance against this. I just don't understand why so I'm just throwing out some questions to see if it is cultural or something different.
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October 19th, 2009, 06:55 PM
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Well I'm just wondering if it's a cultural difference between Canada and the US or if it was a regional issue like west/east issue because it seems so strange to me that many of the posters here have a very strong stance against this. I just don't understand why so I'm just throwing out some questions to see if it is cultural or something different.
Oh....ok. Thanks for clearing that up. Being that I've never been to Canada, I can't say whether or not demonstrations are always peaceful there. However, here in the US..people are always on edge about something and it takes very little to set them off..even during peaceful demonstrations. Is this always evident in the national media? No it's not, but I've known of several demonstrations (American of course) that started out smelling like roses and ended up smelling like the stuff that the elephant left on the circus ground..well you know.
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I've been thinking about this today and for the most part, when I really believe in something, I do something about it - whether it's participating in phone canvassing for an important referendum/election or just showing up at an event and being there to show my support.

I want my kids to make up their own minds about important issues, of course, but I also want them to learn that sense of active participation. Whatever they believe, even if they're hyper-conservatives , I want them to act on it, be citizens, you know?

So, yes, I think I'll bring my children out with me to events and I'll try to be a little less judgmental of others who do the same (even if I disagree with their causes ). But, at the same time, I hope I'll encourage them to find their own stance.
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Just an FYI- the question:
Do you think they are brainwashed into doing it?

was referring to whether or not you believe the children are coerced into attending the protest. Not whether or not they were brainwashed into believe the cause of protest.
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October 19th, 2009, 10:10 PM
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I wouldn't bring children to an anti-war protest, but I would to Take Back the Night.
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October 19th, 2009, 10:18 PM
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I really am trying to understand how there can be such strong opinions against bringing a child to a peaceful protest. Is it because there are too many people? Do you then avoid parades, events and malls? (We were at the Wiggles and there were thousands of people there.) Is it when there maybe an opposing view involved? (I just cracked myself up thinking about the Ob/Gyn's showing up the midwifery protest with signs "we cut because we care" or the ffer's protesting at a bfing challenge "join the non-saggy boobie club.") Obviously there was no opposing voices where I took my LO. The other side I wonder is, why not give a parent the benefit of a doubt when to take your child away from the demonstration? (I was recently at the mall because Toopie and Binoo from Treehouse were there. There were moms getting angry at the mall security because the guards were asking the moms to take their strollers over to the free stroller parking. I was getting uncomfortable and thinking about leaving until those moms finally started cooperating. The point being that ugliness can happen at the most unlikely of places.)
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October 20th, 2009, 04:53 AM
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So is it from a personal experience of a peaceful protest going bad? Or is a just a general paranoia?

I have seen what has started out as a peaceful protest go bad, because of idiots with the opposing point of view show up and inflame the other side. Both sides of an issue that display bad behavior is not right. People in larger numbers with anger about an issue that they are passionate about tossed in is not a good mix from a safety standpoint.

I do support BFing moms and the right to a home birth (which is not done in my state other than rural areas), however, those are not the types of issues that are protested around here. Those protests I could see as being more peaceful and less of a threat to personal safety.

Lately its been other hot button topics like a county hospital with money troubles closing a dialysis unit that serves the indigent and the undocumented. It started out peaceful with people pleading literally for the lives of those affected; as the undocumented and some indigent do not qualify for any assistance, and w/out treatment they will die. Then a group of folks showed up with their signs stating let the people die.

You do not have to be brainiac here to figure out how this turned out on the evening news.
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October 20th, 2009, 05:06 AM
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Just an FYI- the question:
Do you think they are brainwashed into doing it?
was referring to whether or not you believe the children are coerced into attending the protest. Not whether or not they were brainwashed into believe the cause of protest.
My children were not brainwashed or coerced as they were given the option to go with us or attend school. They chose to attend school. My youngest was 3 1/2 at the time and he went with us. We only had a limited amount of time as we had to be back home to pick the other kids up so we were at the protest for about an hour. It was early and many hadn't even arrived when we had to leave. As most of the people there had never been to a protest before, it was more like a big picnic at the park. For my little guy, it was a fun outing.
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