[Mom2Froggy]

Or some people on another board dont agree with me at all.

Someone posted the following video:
YouTube - ‪Child Abuse - Nanny Caught On Tape‬‏

And asked what others thought of it, a "WWYD" situation.

Well I would have been utterly sick to see someone toss my kids around like ragdolls. But apparently a few people said it wasnt a big deal, and isnt child abuse.

Am I freaking nuts? What do you all think of the video... I would unleash the fury of Hell if I saw someone treating my child like that!!!

[Smashley]

You aren't nuts. If someone did that to my kids I would be freaking out.

[GSLynn]

I don't think I got the whole video. I only saw a part where she picked up the child and then the child on the couch. I don't know where she was when the child was on the couch, and that would be a concern, but from what I saw of her picking up the child, I didn't see him being hurt, thrown or otherwise abused. Actually, in some cultures, parents pick up the children differently than in others and I bet this lady isn't from the United States. I had a German lady watch my kids every once in a while and she often picked up my son differently than I would have because she also had a SECOND baby she'd need to tend to at the same time. Never did she throw him anywhere. She was an excellent provider and my kids were always dry, fed, powdered, loved and happy when I got them. What more can you ask for?

I think I'd need to see a longer video and a history of said person throwing around the child to have a true opinion of whether or not this would be considered abusive. I just didn't get enough out of the video posted to say.

[mayandsofiasmommy]

Is there more to the video? I'd like to see more- to see whether it was an isolated thing or not. Although, that said, I would fire the nanny right away. You do not pick up a baby like that. That's insane.

Originally Posted by GSLynn

I don't think I got the whole video. I only saw a part where she picked up the child and then the child on the couch. I don't know where she was when the child was on the couch, and that would be a concern, but from what I saw of her picking up the child, I didn't see him being hurt, thrown or otherwise abused. Actually, in some cultures, parents pick up the children differently than in others and I bet this lady isn't from the United States. I had a German lady watch my kids every once in a while and she often picked up my son differently than I would have because she also had a SECOND baby she'd need to tend to at the same time. Never did she throw him anywhere. She was an excellent provider and my kids were always dry, fed, powdered, loved and happy when I got them. What more can you ask for?

I think I'd need to see a longer video and a history of said person throwing around the child to have a true opinion of whether or not this would be considered abusive. I just didn't get enough out of the video posted to say.

I have twins. It's doable to pick one up, properly, then the other. How did the lady from Germany pick up the baby?

You can always ask for someone who is caring for your child, your BABY, to pick them up
in a fashion that you, the mom, are comfortable with.

[rose198172]

So, we're just talking about the manner in which the nanny picked up the child, correct? To me, it's not what I would do, but different cultures do things differently. I have no idea if the woman was from the US or not, so I can't really say if that's the case. I wouldn't exactly call it abusive, though. I might freak out if I were the mother, though.

[Repti.Mom]

I also only saw about 30 seconds of the video. I probably wouldn't be too happy if my nanny was picking up my kids like that, and leaving a baby on the couch, but I've seen worse nanny videos (unless that was just the end part of the one I've seen before). Either way I'd look for alternative care.

[lilaculpepper]

Sorry, but I just had to re-post one of the comments that made me LOL: "If the babies had been hamburgers she would have taken better care of them."

[AshleyNR]

*lurking* for some reason the video starts way late, but if you click to the begining of the time, it will play the whole video.

And you are NOT crazy. Letting a baby hang upside down on your lap while watching TV is never OK!!

[Nicole1110]

I don't think it's abuse but it's definitely careless the way she handles the babies and I would have fired her too. At one point she picks up a baby by the clothing and then appears to kiss it so I doubt she is a baby hating abuser, but it's not the way I would want my child handled.

[Repti.Mom]

I put it back to the beginning. I'm guilty of the football hold though lol

[Yaps]

I think I would have thrown her around my couch just like she did my baby. That is certianly grounds for termination and report to DHS.

[Mom2Froggy]

That is totally weird that the video started late.... but as a previous poster said, you can start it at the beginning and see all of the video.

I was just shocked that so many parents are all "If thats child abuse, then call the cops on me!" and said its nothing to freak out at. I cant imagine NOT freaking out at someone tossing your children around like ragdolls!

[plan4fate]

Hmmm... It's not how I'd treat someone's children that's for sure.

She was a pretty neglectful nanny, there's no questions asked. Some of the things she did (like leave them unattended on a sofa.. really, that's insane at that age!) were awful.

The football hold... no big deal if done right. I've babysat kids who's parents instructed me on how to use that hold correctly as it was the only way the kids would stay asleep if you carried them.

I'm a bit torn on picking them up by their sleeper. I know a lot of parents who've done it/do it, but it's a once in a while thing (usually done by parents with two small kids, feeding one and having to readjust the 2nd) not constantly. And you can't really do it until they can control their head or it just flops backwards.

All in all, I'd have fired her too, and probably contacted the police. I'm not 100% convinced she was abusing them, but she was no questions asked neglecting them.

[GSLynn]

Originally Posted by mayandsofiasmommy

Is there more to the video? I'd like to see more- to see whether it was an isolated thing or not. Although, that said, I would fire the nanny right away. You do not pick up a baby like that. That's insane.



I have twins. It's doable to pick one up, properly, then the other. How did the lady from Germany pick up the baby?

You can always ask for someone who is caring for your child, your BABY, to pick them up
in a fashion that you, the mom, are comfortable with.

She picked them up sideways in a "football" hold and carried them. Then she'd sit down, position them and pat them. At least that's what I saw when I picked mine up from her. I never saw her get rough or tough and really there's no "wrong" way to pick up a baby as long as it's comfortable for him/her. When I had my twins, sometimes I picked them up and faced them OUT, like when I had to pee in a not-so clean bathroom and didn't feel right leaving them in a stroller outside the stall. lol But based on the video, I just didn't see enough to say one way or another if it was wrong or not. It may not be how WE do things, but she didn't appear to be causing the child any discomfort. At least not from the tiny part that I saw.

ETA: The more concerning thing was the couch where it looked as if he would roll off. Of course, she could have been right there and the camera missed it, but we will never know if that's the case. I don't know, I feel as long as the child is happy and healthy and cared for (and supervised), caregiving is subjective. I have never had any complaints (other than dumb things like scheduling or payments) and I often do things differently.HOWVER, the truth of it is, I would not have taken in parents that did not do things similarly to me because it would not have worked out. I feel that parents/caregivers need to be pretty close in how they take care of kids for the relationship to work out. For example: If you are not comfortable with your child in someone's car, then you don't take them to a daycare where someone drops off kids to/from school. Stuff like that.

[GSLynn]

OK, I JUST finally got the video to show the whole thing. Her walking away from an infant on the couch is definitely concerning. I think the lack of supervision she displayed was way more dangerous than how she held the children. He could have fallen off the couch and gotten hurt I wonder why there wasn't a playpen utilized if she had to put him down. I am assuming most parents have them in their homes or the nannies bring them? I don't know. I have 3 playpens and I didn't really take infants, but sometimes, an older child needed it for safety because they'd get into stuff if I had to cook or go potty.

[BittyBugsMama]

Eh, my son fell off the couch his fair share of times and my daughter managed to roll across our queen size bed and roll off the side of it while I was asleep. It builds character Babies are pretty resilient.

[MindyRambo]

Originally Posted by GSLynn

I don't think I got the whole video. I only saw a part where she picked up the child and then the child on the couch. I don't know where she was when the child was on the couch, and that would be a concern, but from what I saw of her picking up the child, I didn't see him being hurt, thrown or otherwise abused. Actually, in some cultures, parents pick up the children differently than in others and I bet this lady isn't from the United States. I had a German lady watch my kids every once in a while and she often picked up my son differently than I would have because she also had a SECOND baby she'd need to tend to at the same time. Never did she throw him anywhere. She was an excellent provider and my kids were always dry, fed, powdered, loved and happy when I got them. What more can you ask for?

I think I'd need to see a longer video and a history of said person throwing around the child to have a true opinion of whether or not this would be considered abusive. I just didn't get enough out of the video posted to say.

I think the video started where the OP had left off and posted the link. Just pull it back to the beginning

As to the OP, whether it's abuse or not, it's neglect and this woman has the potential to abuse. Poor babies.

[Tammyjh]

This woman treated the babies like they were objects, not real babies and that is terribly neglectful imo. When mine were babies, I carried them football style and held them upside down in my lap for very short periods of time but not in the careless manner this woman did. And, if you are going to be care"less" in a job where you are supposed to be a care"giver", you need to find a different profession.

[AMDG]

I would not be happy if I saw a nanny do that with my kids but not really because of the way she physically handled them. What bothered me more was the apparent lack of attention she was paying. THere is no sound on the video but it appeared as though she was not talking with the babies and not interacting with them.
I see a big difference if you let a baby hang upside down off your lap but you are talking to them and loving them - she was letting the baby hang because she was busy watching tv. Football hold? no problem - I carry my infants/babies like that all the time but not because they are an afterthought.
If I saw a nanny pick up my infant by the sleeper but was talking the whole time "okay honey, time to get your bottle, just one second and I'll be right back. etc etc bla bla bla" not a big deal, but this women really seemed to have no concern for the babies.
Making sure a baby is fed and changed and safe is not enough to care for an infant - that is why I am uncomfortable leaving my babies with anybody on a long term basis - chances are she won't love my infant the way I do. Can you imagine an infant being in someone's care all day, day after day and not be talked to or played with?
Again, the physical interaction doesn't bother me nearly as much as what appears to be missing in this video. But there is no sound and it is short so it just my observation based on the few minutes i saw.

[sunshine411]

Originally Posted by BittyBugsMama

Eh, my son fell off the couch his fair share of times and my daughter managed to roll across our queen size bed and roll off the side of it while I was asleep. It builds character Babies are pretty resilient.

"lurker alert"

While I would normally agree, since my children have had their share of falls as well, you never know what can happen. One wrong fall, one wrong slip and something terrible can happen.

http://www.justmommies.com/forums/f5...-1st-post.html

While this is a tragic unfortunate accident, it is also a reminder that you can't ever be too careful.