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  #41  
July 26th, 2011, 12:35 PM
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I can't believe I'm saying this (i'm never one for raising taxes) but I'd actually rather see my district slightly raise our property taxes to ensure all of the schools & students are properly equiped to perform in school than deal with what a lot of you are describing in this thread.

I think it's ridiculous to see things like tissues on a supply list...what next have them each bring in a role of TP?? And I know teachers are spending crazy amounts of their own $$ for supplies already....at some point I expect a school to provide sufficient tools to allow students to perform required tasks. Obviously we have a nickle & dime approach to having parents (and apparently teachers) provide those items in many areas...and personally I don't mind donating for those students who can't afford their supplies, but it would bother me if I wanted my child to have specific quality of supplies and they weren't getting that even though I purchased those items for them to use.
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^ Good I'm not alone on that one. It just seems so unnecessary.

Darn it! Now it looks like I responded to the person above me. My post was meant for the last post on page 2.
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July 26th, 2011, 12:38 PM
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Tissues are a "luxury." If it is not brought in, we have to use rough, 1-ply TP.
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July 26th, 2011, 12:41 PM
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^ Good I'm not alone on that one. It just seems so unnecessary.

Darn it! Now it looks like I responded to the person above me. My post was meant for the last post on page 2.
It would save time if you'd just agree with me on everything ...sigh...but don't worry I realized you were still on the communal composition notebook issue (which is CRAZY, i agree with you)
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July 26th, 2011, 01:00 PM
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I thought the same thing about the loose leaf paper or spiral notebook, but who knows
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July 26th, 2011, 01:44 PM
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they don't use lined paper or spiral books because that's not what a primary composition book is.



If they used lined paper the teacher would probably have to spend hours at home drawing the lines on.

Even when I was in school 22 years ago, we used something similar. Parents just didn't provide it.
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True, but I'm not talking about just primary notebooks. I'm talking shared composition notebooks in general. Even with the primary ones, I still believe it's best for each kid to have their own. When Kev was in kinder, they all had the same green primary composition notebook that the teacher provided herself. I'm thankful she did, but had she asked for me to come out of pocket for one, I wouldn't have minded because it would have been for my son. I don't know. I guess when it comes to notebooks such as primary, it would be best for a child to have their own all in one place so they and the parent can reference back to it easily.
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True, but I'm not talking about just primary notebooks. I'm talking shared composition notebooks in general. Even with the primary ones, I still believe it's best for each kid to have their own. When Kev was in kinder, they all had the same green primary composition notebook that the teacher provided herself. I'm thankful she did, but had she asked for me to come out of pocket for one, I wouldn't have minded because it would have been for my son. I don't know. I guess when it comes to notebooks such as primary, it would be best for a child to have their own all in one place so they and the parent can reference back to it easily.
i agree completely. I'm 27 years old and can't keep papers organized half the time, don't know how they'd expect a 5 year old to keep track of a bunch of loose papers in a folder... leave the books intact, let me write my kids name on them and leave it at that. if there are kids who can't afford them, ask if there are any parents who could donate an extra, i would happily send in an extra of a few things to help out others.
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This is the list for the school my cousin Tori goes to. I see that not everything is to be labeled, but a chunk of it is.

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I really dislike the idea behind shared school supplies. I understand that there are kids who can't afford supplies and, were my kids in public school, I don't think I'd have a problem donating $10 or something to a class fund to provide for that situation.
However, there are two things that bother me about a communal supply. One is that I remember, as a kid, being so excited to go and choose my folders and notebooks. I always wanted the ones with cute pictures on it, and I loved using them. This was a really fun memory I have of school, and, honestly, something that would be fun to pass on to my kids. (Actually, I homeschool, so I DO get to pass on that memory to my kids! They pick out their own folders and such.)
The other thing is I really hate the idea that all the kids have to have identical supplies so that nobody "feels bad" that they don't have a "fancy" folder. I remember some kids having really fancy Trapper Keepers that I didn't have, but it didn't scar me. It was just LIFE. Nothing, not uniforms or school supplies, is going to keep kids from learning that there are some kids whose parents have money and some kids who don't. Because even if they all wear identical colored shirts and pants, a portion of the kids are going to have really nice Nike's and some are going to have Target shoes. And even if they all have identical folders, some kids are going to be driven to school in a Lexus and some are going to drive to school in a 10 year old Honda. It's LIFE.
For the record, I also don't think that everyone should get a trophy at then end of a sports season. There were teams that WON and teams that LOST. Not everybody wins. It's LIFE. Encourage the kids to do their best, give them a pat on the back and a pizza party when they lose, and give prizes to the winners.
Sorry, kind of tangented there!
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There's no way in hell that every child in a kindergarten class needs to bring in a box of permanent markers. The only person in that room who should be using PERMANENT markers is the teacher. I'm also not sending my kid with communal hand sanitizer, because I don't want her using alcohol based stuff. She can take her own spray, but I'm not buying that for everyone.
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When my kids were in ps here they weren't allowed any of the fancy stuff anyway. No decorated folders, notebooks, rulers, etc.. Everything had to be plain/colored with no designs on them. They also don't allow paper folders, only plastic three prong two pocket ones. They're actually kind of anal retentive about that sort of thing here. But then their uniform policy was beyond absurd too about certain things. Which is why my son had his hair spiked or in a mohawk most of the time. It was one of the only things not against the rules. Dd2 used to wear mismatched socks nearly everyday too, for the same reason. There were no rules about socks.
(and my kids are a little bit weird, that might have something to do with it)
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I was talking about this with a friend of mine and she added what I think is an interesting perspective that goes beyond school supplies.
She has two daughters who are in high school and is highly involved in the activities that her girls do at our church, so she's around high school aged girls a lot. What she has noticed is that many of the girls seem to believe that everything is communal. They were on a mission trip to Canada and the kids were staying at a college campus. Most of the kids would lock their rooms, but keep the keys on the light fixture by the room so that keys weren't getting lost and roommates could get into the room when needed without having to find the person who had the key. (The youth group was the only group at the college.) A group of girls let themselves into my friend's daughter's room and took Ellie's iPod and dock to their room because they liked Ellie's music better. They didn't ask Ellie for permission and when Ellie confronted them about it, they just said, "Well, you weren't using it and we figured it would be alright." and then gave her grief when she wanted it back because they weren't "done with it yet".

There is a subtle indoctrination into a socialistic mindset that is being forced upon our kids (on all of us, really), and it's beginning with something as innocuous as school supplies in elementary school. "We all need to be equal, we all need to have the same stuff, and what's your is mine and what's mine is yours." I don't agree with that mindset in the least, and I'm thankful that I don't have to deal with it.
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There is a subtle indoctrination into a socialistic mindset that is being forced upon our kids (on all of us, really), and it's beginning with something as innocuous as school supplies in elementary school. "We all need to be equal, we all need to have the same stuff, and what's your is mine and what's mine is yours." I don't agree with that mindset in the least, and I'm thankful that I don't have to deal with it.
Yes. I totally support the intention of subtly making sure no student has to go without the supplies they need , but making everything communal undermines teaching them to take care of their things. Ds1 is a crayon breaker and glue-eater and, at home, when he doesn't get these items replaced until he saves enough money to pay for them. With communal supplies, he won't be experiencing the natural consequence of his actions. Its also not fair to the other families who contributed to the supply "pool".
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^^^ Agree with the last 2 posters 100%. Especially the point you make tofu bacon about the consequences... this just feeds into an entitled mentality. So what if I break my crayon another will magically appear turns into so what if I took someones ipod that doesnt belong to me because why should I be entitled to using it if they arent... and on and on... why shouldnt I get that new car (even though i've done nothing to establish credit, get job) because I deserve it.

Not how I will be raising my son.
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Curious, is there anything stopping a parent from buying communal school supplies and then buying another set to give to their child after the communal stuff has been doled out? I mean other than the bother of having to buy double.
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I am all for social indoctrination when it comes to sharing and generosity. The way the shared supplies work at our school is that there is a desk grouping of four desks together and the four children share their supplies together. Sure, they may not see the consequences to breaking one crayon, but, if the group as a whole breaks multiple crayons then there are consequences. If one child is doing the majority of the breaking, then it behooves the other children to teach the child to take better care of the group’s supplies. I see this as a kind of microcosm for the world at large. If we take the crayon supply and change it to world’s fresh water supply, it’s an example of how we need to work together to protect our resources and not focus so much on our own individual material goods.
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I'm not sure that it's a good idea to expect children to teach other children about responsibility. That's not a child's job.
I also think there's a difference in teaching sharing and generosity, which I believe all parents would say are important lessons, and teaching them that everything belongs to everybody, which is not true. I have a more negative view of the microcosm of shared school supplies, seeing it as a preview of what they will most likely have to endure as adults: "I have worked hard to become a millionaire and you don't have enough money, so therefore I am made to give you some of my money." Socialism at its finest. *gag*
Yes, I realize it's kind of a leap of logic, but it's gently introducing them to that idea from their first moment in government schools.
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