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  #21  
August 30th, 2011, 02:58 PM
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How in the world re you able to draw on fish without them wiggling away or dying outside of the water?
I was thinking the exact same thing. Well, among other things......
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August 30th, 2011, 05:41 PM
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He came from Thailand. There are very few breeders of show bettas in the US, so he was special ordered. I hope to eventually get a show female and do some breeding. Good bettas are not like the ones you see in pet stores, and responsible pet owners do not intentionally breed bettas like that. It just adds to the gene pool, and many get culled. It's kind of like breeding undesirable mutts in the dog world.
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August 31st, 2011, 07:25 AM
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DH wants to get a few koi for a front yard pond. Of course we have to put them in a trough in the basement during the winter.
Parrot fish (not the dyed ones) are hybrids, we had one named big bird for YEARS before we had to cut down on fish when we moved here. I would get another normal colored parrot fish. In fact that was what I wanted to get with taxes when I get my corner bowfront
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August 31st, 2011, 07:26 AM
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How in the world re you able to draw on fish without them wiggling away or dying outside of the water?
I've already posted this but it's worth a re-post to detail the horrible, painful process. I don't have emotional attachments towards fishes but I absolutely love watching their grace and beauty. The idea that people strip their protective coating to inject ink and make them look as though they're wearing lipstick is absolutely unacceptable.
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August 31st, 2011, 07:33 AM
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I've already posted this but it's worth a re-post to detail the horrible, painful process. I don't have emotional attachments towards fishes but I absolutely love watching their grace and beauty. The idea that people strip their protective coating to inject ink and make them look as though they're wearing lipstick is absolutely unacceptable.
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Yea that's the one I printed off. I just don't see how they keep the fish still. They just flap around so easily. I guess I don't really want to know.
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August 31st, 2011, 07:41 AM
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He came from Thailand. There are very few breeders of show bettas in the US, so he was special ordered. I hope to eventually get a show female and do some breeding. Good bettas are not like the ones you see in pet stores, and responsible pet owners do not intentionally breed bettas like that. It just adds to the gene pool, and many get culled. It's kind of like breeding undesirable mutts in the dog world.
How long did that take? I just ordered a tree cutting from Thailand last week and it's going to take about a month to get here after it's certified and then clears customs.
And I hear ya on the back yard breeders. Or, back tank breeders in the fish world? haha I never knew it was a problem with fish, but I guess I might as well go ahead and assume that all animals are exploited even though you don't see them being euthanized at the pound for over populations.

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DH wants to get a few koi for a front yard pond. Of course we have to put them in a trough in the basement during the winter.
Parrot fish (not the dyed ones) are hybrids, we had one named big bird for YEARS before we had to cut down on fish when we moved here. I would get another normal colored parrot fish. In fact that was what I wanted to get with taxes when I get my corner bowfront

Where do you live? I don't have m own koi pond yet but I want one and have been asking around. Everyone I know that has them says theirs stay in the bottom of the pond through winter, as long as it's deeper than 36". But we're in Georgia, so we don't have the long deep freezes other places have. You could also consider a submersible water heater if your pond isn't too big. But basically everybody says that in winter they go dormant at the bottom as long as they are deep enough to not get frozen in ice.
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I like to change the Dr. Suess quote to fit my agenda when I hear people say they are "just fish"
An animal is an animal, no matter how small.
True. The spider I squashed this morning in the tub was an animal too. But it was a spider, it's brain is this big, it probably cannot even conceive of suffering or feel pain, and it was in my ******* tub. Stupid spider.

I feel much the same about fish. They're pretty, but I have to draw the compassion line somewhere or I'll end up a Jainist, sweeping the path as I walk for fear of accidentally smashing a bug, or only eating fruit that's dropped from a tree because I cannot bring myself to kill a peach.
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While I'm lmao at your post Torrie, plants are Ok because they don't have a central nervous system and feel no pain. And bugs are Ok to kill because, though they are sometimes beneficial, they are usually problematic by either being poisonous or carrying diseases. I'm not really afraid of stepping into the shower and getting bitten by the poisonous goldfish I didn't see in time to kill. lol
Still though
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August 31st, 2011, 02:35 PM
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How in the world re you able to draw on fish without them wiggling away or dying outside of the water?
There are ways to sedate fish. And if you don't care about their suffering (like the ppl doing the tattoing and dying) you can cool the fish down, it will move a lot less. Clove oil will sedate a fish, and once you remove it back to regular water, it should recover.

One of the cruellest things you can do to a warm water fish, is put it in cold water. I'm actually just finding this out, since we always promoted freezing as the most humane way to put down a sick fish now I feel bad for my roommates betta that we had to put down after I had tried every single flipping thing to save it.

Leslie, I love your betta. I've known a few people who have show bettas (ironically also from Thailand) When I left the society (when my tank broke and I gave up fish keeping ) they were preparing to breed them.
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Rebecca - He was sent via overnight air from Thailand to Georgia. Then, from GA to Ohio it took 2.5 days.

FWIW, I don't kill bugs (at least not on purpose).
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This post made me stop by the fish section of walmart today and I was horrified. Fish were eating each other, multiple dead fish, big pretty fish just about to die... yeah I was absolutely skeeved out and now horrified beyond belief about what these stores do to fish
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I'm not really a fish person but I think it's nasty. I'd also question if they are willing to allow for something so nasty to be in full view of their customers what they are doing in the back.
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How long did that take? I just ordered a tree cutting from Thailand last week and it's going to take about a month to get here after it's certified and then clears customs.
And I hear ya on the back yard breeders. Or, back tank breeders in the fish world? haha I never knew it was a problem with fish, but I guess I might as well go ahead and assume that all animals are exploited even though you don't see them being euthanized at the pound for over populations.




Where do you live? I don't have m own koi pond yet but I want one and have been asking around. Everyone I know that has them says theirs stay in the bottom of the pond through winter, as long as it's deeper than 36". But we're in Georgia, so we don't have the long deep freezes other places have. You could also consider a submersible water heater if your pond isn't too big. But basically everybody says that in winter they go dormant at the bottom as long as they are deep enough to not get frozen in ice.
We live in WI. We are just going to use one of those pre-fab ponds from home depot or menards. I wouldn't be deep enough for sure.
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