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August 29th, 2011, 05:17 PM
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To me, this is pretty horrific. I don't know how it would seem to someone who doesn't love animals as much as I do. I hope it's not too graphic of a description for you.


Tonight I had to go to Wally World to get 2 goldfish to replace the ones I bought 3 days ago that died. Things weren't like this 3 days ago, but tonight there were masses of dead fish in the tanks. Some of them had been dead so long that their eyes were solid white. That takes a few days to happen!! There were even some tanks where there were skeletal remains, and live fish still picking at them.
I was pretty abrupt with the guy that was there at the moment, and he told me fish wasn't his usual job and he didn't know where the pets guy was. I told him to give me a net and I'd clean it up myself. Then he actually LOOKED in the tanks and agreed with me. I called for the assistant manager to come over and pointed it all out to her. She was the manager back when I was working there too so she already knows how I am about animals. I even told her that the ONLY reason I didn't call animal services is because it would affect the store in general, when it really is only a small handful of people not doing what they're supposed to do. I've done that before. I've called and had the state do an inspection on a pet store before because there were too many animals in the cages. Sorry pal, you don't put 3 puppies in a cage meant for a cat.
But anyway, the manager says she's going to personally start monitoring the fish from now on, and I'm satisfied with that answer because I know she will.

Am I over reacting? I mean, I was actually shaking when I was looking at that, and if the guy who usually "takes care of" the fish had been there I know I would have railed him. Am I being too sensitive? I've heard people say "hey it's not a big deal, they're just fish." Is it Ok to trivialize a living thing? Sure, they don't have human rights, I don't fight for animal rights so to speak. But is it too much to ask that they not live in misery? Would you want to stay in your house with a decomposing corpse in your living room?

What do you think about pet fish, and animals in general? Do you think it's ever Ok to brush them off and think, "oh, they're only animals?"
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August 29th, 2011, 05:26 PM
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I used to be an aquarium society member, our walmarts had to close their fish sections due to us. the conditions are horrific, and most fish died after a few days at home due to disease.

I've told off a fish girl in Kentucky already over the condition of the tanks. Fish are majestic, and deserve some respect.

I hate seeing pets mistreated, and I don't care much for food animal practices either...


OH and my biggest beef with walmart is selling colored fish. Froot loop fish, etc... DISGUSTING! Fish dipped in acid, the dye and then they hope they survive... no freaking way, should be illegial!
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August 29th, 2011, 05:30 PM
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Everyone has their own passions... Fish is not one of mine.
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August 29th, 2011, 06:21 PM
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I'm not really an animal person (in fact, I pretty much dislike all animals) but the thought of animals being mistreated makes me kind of sick. They're like babies, they have no idea why they are being mistreated and just want to be loved. Logically, I don't see why a fish would be any different. They're still living things that deserve respect, whether they are "cute" or not.
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August 29th, 2011, 07:44 PM
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Well I love fish. We have Big Blue, The Lone Gingy, Guliver and Oliver and then two bottom feeders that DH named and I forget what they were (really out there names). Anyways, I don't think you're being too sensative. Sure they're fish, but we should be respecting all animals and they need good living conditions too. It doesn't take long or much effort to keep a fish tank clean. I haven't been to wally world in a long time, but I do remember what their fish tanks looked like. Muggy water, way too many fish, lots of dead fish, etc. If they can't keep their tanks clean like other stores can (that have lots more tanks and fish) then maybe they should stop having fish. I highly doubt their making oodles of money on their sickly over priced fish.
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August 29th, 2011, 11:09 PM
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Everyone has their own passions... Fish is not one of mine.
ditto.

If it were other animals (pretty much any mammal) then I'd be a lot more upset.

I don't think people who work at Walmart are generally rewarded for taking on extra responsibilities so I don't blame the guy for just saying, "it's not my area." They have a quota of work and it's hard long work that they have to do and it's hard to have time for that - much less any extras. That's from knowing people who work at walmart - I haven't worked there myself so I could be wrong.
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August 30th, 2011, 12:38 AM
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I don't think you're being too sensitive at all-if you're passionate about fish. With conditions that bad(some of which take more than a few days to happen, and have probably been evident for at least a week even) I would have contacted corporate with the manager on duty's name, and the store manager's as well. I would have also called someone to report it, before calling corporate, and made sure to inform corporate that I have(after the fact, of course).
We have fish in our Walmart as well. I have never once seen them in the condition that I have other Walmarts. They take very, very good care of them(I was surprised to be honest). We have fish we got at ours in 2004 still happily living among their plants, rocks and toys. Never been there when someone wasn't on duty who knew how to run the area either. I think they train most of their employees here in as many areas as possible. I'm sure they can't always have someone on duty just for that area, so helps to train others.

That said, not everyone loves fish. I don't think it's wrong for anyone to say "they're just fish". Everyone's entitled to their own opinions. Some of us like cows, but sure don't mind eating them(replace cows with whatever animal you wish). Might as well be saying "it's just a cow" when I bite into my burger, I suppose.(or, was, anyway). Not everyone will share the same passions as we do. Much as folks ought to accept some folks are more passionate about all living creatures, we ought to accept that lots of others don't feel the same.

Someone saying "it's not my job" isn't always them slacking off either. I hate the mentality that anyone who dares say it is just being a lazy...insert whatever explicative you'd like here...as that's really unfair. Maybe that person is just being honest and telling you "I don't know what to do, it's not my job". I've worked all sorts of places and had to tell all sorts of people "sorry, this isn't my area, let me find a manager for you". That doesn't necessarily mean the manager will know everything he/she needs to know to help the customer either. Or that I'll even be able to find one in a reasonable enough time frame for the customer. There are some jobs you can't "just do it yourself" simply because a customer wants you to. That sort of thing can get you written up, if not fired, in some places(don't know about Walmart, never worked there, but other retail places I've worked in have similar policies).
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August 30th, 2011, 06:47 AM
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Having SOO many animals in and out of the house I kinda lost compassion for those who die due to previously existing illness etc.. I am also not too upset when fish die, but that being said if people purposely abuse or neglect animals make me pissed off.

I think the case of walmart is that there isn't a single person purposely ignoring the fish, just shifts that overlap, like any retail place, and fish aren't their first priority. The fact that the kid was willing to help you clean the tanks would have been enough for me.

I agree with Ashley though I don't like the died fish at all, that's a really stupid way to mess with an animal. We were big time fish keepers before we got into reptiles.
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I'm not a fish person, but I get where you're coming from. I know it might just be fish, but it's the principal behind the matter. Not the fish themselves.
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Everyone has their own passions... Fish is not one of mine.

Yeh, me too. They do taste good though and I like fishing.
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August 30th, 2011, 11:15 AM
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I'm not as upset about the fish that were dead as I was that the ones that were still living were forced to live in contaminated nasty water. I'm not a huge fish fanatic or anything. And yes, the ones that are big enough to eat are usually pretty yummy and fun to catch.
I live on a farm, I know death happens. We've lost chicks and chickens, we've lost goats. Death sucks when it's slow and painful. When I saw my 2 dead ones my immediate thought was "oh crap, flush them and go get 2 more that look just like them so DS#2 won't notice." lol But what's worse, to me, is forcing the living to endure unlivable conditions. When I worked at Wally World, I was on nights as a cashier for a while and if I happened to see dead fish in the tanks I would handle it. It doesn't take that long to scoop out 1 or 2 dead fish and then be on your way. Yea it wasn't my job right down to the description, but preventing loss of sales was. And leaving dead fish to contaminate and possibly kill the living ones would damage sales. The fewer dead, the better. And in that sense, it's everybody's job. This wasn't a huge problem while I was there, but you know sometimes a fish might die after the regular pet person leaves and when I was there until 5:30AM.

But I didn't know those bright fish were dyed. Ew. I thought they were bred for colors, you know, like most other fancy colored animals on Earth. Jeez that's sick. I'm going to have to start complaining about that.


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WOW!!
I had never even heard of "fruit loop fish" before today. Just a quick search produced this very disturbing document that details the horrid process.
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August 30th, 2011, 01:10 PM
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Painted fish - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia It's wiki but it lists some of the dyed fish (which I spelled wrong before and I'm too lazy to go fix it).
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I am a fish fanatic (particularly bettas), so I don't think you were overreacting at all. I was responsible for stopping my local wal-mart from selling fish all together. Apparently they got sick of me complaining and standing in their fish section changing the betta cup waters, and educating the customers nearby. So, they finally quit.

Here is my new guy (I got out of the hobby for a few years and am starting back up):




I like to change the Dr. Suess quote to fit my agenda when I hear people say they are "just fish"
An animal is an animal, no matter how small.

The dyed fish boils my blood. I have also been known to complain about those to numerous pet shops.
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August 30th, 2011, 01:31 PM
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Yup, dipped, dyed, dipped again. sometimes it's injected or even tattooed.

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I saw them for the first time here a few weeks ago. No one in NS will sell them anymore because almost every shop is part of the aquarium society, so I'd never actually gotten to see them in person.

and there are even gentically modified fish that make their colors brighter. BUT they weren't designed for color, they were designed to detect pollution in water, so I'm less upset about those. They're known as Glo Fish, and if DSS is still insisting on owning some in 2 years when we get a house, I will probably get him a couple.
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I refuse to buy anything that is altered in such a manner. If the demand is there, they will continue to make them. Tons of those fish die during the process, it is really quite sad. They also have a very short life span, so it's really a waste of money to buy them.
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Whoa, I've never seen those dyed fish, at least not ones so obviously dyed. I'll have to watch out for that when we get Mackenzie's fish tank.

I'm not emotionally connected to fish but I certainly don't condone the mistreatment of them.
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August 30th, 2011, 02:40 PM
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I've never seen fish in those colors. I believe if you want brightly colored fish, get some salt water cuties.

Pretty much the only reason I have fish right now is because I got sucked into it. At the end of last school year one of the teachers said she wished someone would take the fish because she wasn't going to be coming around in the summer to take care of it. It was just a little neon in a bowl, plenty of surface space, but it was getting kinda green and fluffy if you know what I mean. So I took it, and when I got it home I conditioned some water, let it adjust to room temp and put the little fishie in. Fishie was dead the next day. I guess it was too much of a shock. So I went and bought the gold fish. Well when school started back up, the teacher didn't want it. lol She would have flushed the neon she had if I hadn't taken it, but admitted she didn't want to say that in front of me. lmao
So a few days ago I got around to getting a 10 gallon tank and 2 pals for it. It's cute. I'm not totally head over heals in love with fish, but when I sit down at my desk I do take time to admire them. I do hope they get to their full size.

But yours, Leslie, OMG that's just stunning! I've never seen one like that in person. Heck, I've never seen that color in a picture before just now. That's really cool. And to think, you didn't even have to drop it in acid or make it radioactive to get such a gorgeous color. I guess my thing is that I fall in love with the animals that interact with me. For a while now DH and the kids have wanted some oscars. Let's see if I can learn how to keep an aquarium and not end up with a pile of dead fish first.

Oh man, the more I see about those colored fish the sicker I get. Wally World has a few fish of one breed that are "mildly" colored, nothing like in those pictures. I'm going to see if I can nag them into not carrying those fish anymore. That's horrible. I think I'll print some of that stuff off and show it to my old manager.
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How in the world re you able to draw on fish without them wiggling away or dying outside of the water?
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