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  #21  
September 2nd, 2011, 11:30 AM
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Where are your statistics on this?

I personal think your view of today's kids is very jaded and may be accurate for you area but it sure it's what I experience where I am. From my experience, you only get scholarships for sports. If you aren't a star athlete forget it. My friend's niece is a straight A honor student - got nothing for college but her roommate got a full ride for jumping hurdles Yeah there's value to society.

In this country if your parents make "too much money" (which isn't a lot btw), you don't qualify for anything even though they work hard & pay taxes.

My niece is a straight A student in gifted classes who is a high school senior. Both of her parents are teachers (so yeah you know how little they make). She isn't lazy. Allong with full-time school, she volunteers at a hospital, does charity drives etc. She's researched & applied for everything & can't get anything.

Yeah so let the illegal alien get it all for doing nothing.

Works the same way in Canada. $15k in income will get you $2k towards an education. They expect you to find the rest. I ran into this a few years ago when I tried to take a 1 year certificate course. I was devastated. It's like they set you up to fail.



I don't believe illegal aliens should get scholarships. I just don't think they should be reserved for citizens, but for anyone who's a legally living and attending school in the USA. If I wasn't going through immigration myself I might not feel this way, but I just can't believe that someone who attends high school in the US would be excluded because they hold temporary status and are waiting for citizenship to kick in.
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Works the same way in Canada. $15k in income will get you $2k towards an education. They expect you to find the rest. I ran into this a few years ago when I tried to take a 1 year certificate course. I was devastated. It's like they set you up to fail.



I don't believe illegal aliens should get scholarships. I just don't think they should be reserved for citizens, but for anyone who's a legally living and attending school in the USA. If I wasn't going through immigration myself I might not feel this way, but I just can't believe that someone who attends high school in the US would be excluded because they hold temporary status and are waiting for citizenship to kick in.
I think it's ok if they are here legally & working through the citizenship process. Although I've worked with a lot of people from India who were here legally, got their educations here, planned to get work experience here & then take it back to India (none had scholarships) So I really don't think it would be fair for people to fake their citizenship plans just to get a free ride. But if they are truly going to be citizens here & live here for the rest of their lives then I'm ok with it.
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September 2nd, 2011, 12:28 PM
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Works the same way in Canada. $15k in income will get you $2k towards an education. They expect you to find the rest. I ran into this a few years ago when I tried to take a 1 year certificate course. I was devastated. It's like they set you up to fail.



I don't believe illegal aliens should get scholarships. I just don't think they should be reserved for citizens, but for anyone who's a legally living and attending school in the USA. If I wasn't going through immigration myself I might not feel this way, but I just can't believe that someone who attends high school in the US would be excluded because they hold temporary status and are waiting for citizenship to kick in.

I don't think a person has to be a citizen to get college help. Just be here legally.
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I don't care what people do with privately funded scholarships but I don't think state funded scholarships should go to people who are here illegally.

I don't know how people can afford to go to college. DH is doing a 1 month long certification course and it will cost us over $7,000. The only financial aid they offered was an $1800 down payment with the option to pay monthly increments starting 90 days after graduation. Even my SIL, who took a short course to get her phlebotomy license, had to pay about $2,000. Those are just certification courses.
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September 3rd, 2011, 07:57 AM
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I don't understand how you can be undocumented and attend regular school, let alone get into college...

But on another note, don't you all see how denying a poor student grant money for college is essentially making the student pay for the sins of the parent? The parents made the decision to come here, not the kids, yet for a lot of them, this would be the only home they really know, but you all would have them not receive money that could very much help them, because they're undocumented through their parents...I think that's a little unfair.
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September 3rd, 2011, 08:31 AM
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Pay for the sins of the parent? I really don't think the parents were coming here to be vindictive to themselves, America, or their children. They came here because they thought there was/is more opportunity for their family- especially their kids. They want their children to go above and beyond and only want the best.
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September 3rd, 2011, 09:43 AM
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And then there are the ones who are doing things the right way and came to this country legally. Sorry, but legal trumps illegal.
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And then there are the ones who are doing things the right way and came to this country legally. Sorry, but legal trumps illegal.
You're right, but I really don't get up in arms with people coming here illegally. There are more important things in life, like Walmart's fish dying and being tattooed on, and what the hell I am making for dinner tonight.

And I sure as hell don't want a shi tty a ss job paying shi tty money and I don't see any of us LEGAL peeps protesting to give those shi tty jobs back so we can do them ourselves.

I hope some of those undocumented students get full rides to Harvard .

p.s. I'll say it again, to come here legally it can take thousands of dollars and 10+ years. Perhaps we shouldn't be anal little snobs and make it a bit easier to come here all legal and stuff. Or hell, I'll switch spots and leave and someone can take my legal spot.
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September 3rd, 2011, 01:52 PM
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So then tell us, what the hell ARE you making for dinner tonight?
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September 3rd, 2011, 02:01 PM
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You're right, but I really don't get up in arms with people coming here illegally. There are more important things in life, like Walmart's fish dying and being tattooed on, and what the hell I am making for dinner tonight.

And I sure as hell don't want a shi tty a ss job paying shi tty money and I don't see any of us LEGAL peeps protesting to give those shi tty jobs back so we can do them ourselves.

I hope some of those undocumented students get full rides to Harvard .

p.s. I'll say it again, to come here legally it can take thousands of dollars and 10+ years. Perhaps we shouldn't be anal little snobs and make it a bit easier to come here all legal and stuff. Or hell, I'll switch spots and leave and someone can take my legal spot.
I'll admit it, I'm not coming to the US the fully legal way.

The legal way would be to return to Canada and file about $5k worth of paperwork and then start the hoop jumping. minimum of 3 trips from Halifax to Toronto for two interviews and a medical exam since only 3 cities in my home country offer those services and the closest is a 19 hour away. I have to be in the city I choose (Montreal, Toronto, Vancouver) for a minimum of 3 days each time. I need to be close enough to the places I need to interview/be examined at to not need to carry my purse, cell phone or anything really since I can't take a bag into the building with me. And I do all this after I wait between 18 and 24 months, all of which I am separated from DF because I cannot enter the US for anything other than work business while I'm processing. In the end I'd have spent roughly 15,000. Then I'd have to fly to the US, and I'd have 90 days to get married. DF also has to prove that he can take care of me for 356 days with money he has in the bank, the equivalent of $10,000. So now the needed total is $25,000, more than I made a year in Canada. If I had a child to bring with me, he'd need 20k in the bank.

Instead. I'm getting married in a few weeks in the US to a US citizen. My lawyer will file my paperwork and charge me $1500 for her fee. We will fill out $1500 in paperwork and spend roughly $500 getting my exam done, and all my medical records shipped from Canada. Technically this is still Legal, but it's frowned upon. I didn't come to the US to get married however, I came to play house to see if I could marry him. Had we gotten married a week after I got here, I'd probably be deported. He still needs the 10k in the bank.

Since I'm not a specialized worker (meaning brain surgeon or major scientist) the chances of getting a work visa here is about 1 in 1 million EVEN with a sponsor. A sponsor has to prove that there is not one single american citizen who is capable of the job before they can sponsor someone (tried this way, got laughed at by the visa office). Attempting a work visa can cost up to $15,000 and you do NOT get the money back if you are denied.

Most immigrants coudln't get into the US the legal way if they tried with out marrying a citizen.
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September 3rd, 2011, 02:20 PM
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Marriage works for me, I don't frown on it. Out of curiosity, if you get divorced are you allowed to stay?
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once I have citizenship yes. If before citizenship, no. I think I have to be here 5 years to be allowed to stay. Which would suck for DF, because I'd be taking his kid back with me to Canada (and do the immigration process there for the children...).

Coming via marriage allows me to take the citizenship exam (I'm gonna need a study buddy for that one. LOL) 2 years sooner I think, so after 5 years not 7.
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Sounds like a legitimate process to me. I don't know why people look down on that.
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they see it as cheating the system. a-they make less money on it. b-they have less control over who comes in (it's very hard to deny someone who's already married to a citizen)

I think it's almost an endurance test the other way. They seem to think if they put you through Hell in the beginning you'll have a lasting marriage.

It's illegial to enter the US with the intention of marrying and staying while you're visiting. I didn't intending on Marrying (not on this trip) in fact we weren't going to get married until Spring.... that changed, and we'll be married in about 3 weeks.
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