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September 7th, 2011, 05:28 PM
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This is outrageous.

As for the hunting bit Shel can you be any more of a spoiled rich snob or wanna be snob?

Let me break it down for you.

Some people like the idea of going out, and killing their own food and only paying to have it butchered. The fact that you can fill your freezer and have it last nearly a year out of a good sized animal for basically FREE is part of the appeal in this society. Hell, Nova Scotia has a food bank program that you can donate part or all of your kill to, it's what puts meat on the plate of Nova Scotia's poor since they don't have food stamps, wic or other support programs.

This thread has turned stupid. I'm surprised it's not been locked yet.


ftr, I don't hunt. I don't like venison. I would go with out meat protein if my only option was wild game (I became very sick after eating venison in my early 20's and have not touched anything wild since). I see no appeal in getting cold and killing something... except for the free part, but I've gone out with both my parents just for the heck of it. People need to eat, and if you can do it pretty much for free (if you have your own gear already) why the heck not? My mom's rifle and gear was fully paid for with the savings from her first deer based on our usual meat usage for a family of 5/6. Since then it's been nothing but profitable.
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This is outrageous.

As for the hunting bit Shel can you be any more of a spoiled rich snob or wanna be snob?

Let me break it down for you.

Some people like the idea of going out, and killing their own food and only paying to have it butchered. The fact that you can fill your freezer and have it last nearly a year out of a good sized animal for basically FREE is part of the appeal in this society. Hell, Nova Scotia has a food bank program that you can donate part or all of your kill to, it's what puts meat on the plate of Nova Scotia's poor since they don't have food stamps, wic or other support programs.

This thread has turned stupid. I'm surprised it's not been locked yet.


ftr, I don't hunt. I don't like venison. I would go with out meat protein if my only option was wild game (I became very sick after eating venison in my early 20's and have not touched anything wild since). I see no appeal in getting cold and killing something... except for the free part, but I've gone out with both my parents just for the heck of it. People need to eat, and if you can do it pretty much for free (if you have your own gear already) why the heck not? My mom's rifle and gear was fully paid for with the savings from her first deer based on our usual meat usage for a family of 5/6. Since then it's been nothing but profitable.
Well, I'm nowhere near rich and I don't wanna be a snob. I've never understood hunters as a basic premise since there's no need for them in today's society. Then I caught a few of those awful hunter reality shows and it became pretty clear to me: they GET OFF on what they're doing. They spend a LOT of time and even MORE money for the privilege of freezing their nuts off in a homemade nest, bathed in deer urine, for days on end only to maybe or maybe not kill something. Then they hold its dead body and grin widely for the camera, pleased as punch at the ridiculously laughable feat they accomplished.
In this section of TN hunting is not admirable or even necessary - it's just silly. And the people involved are the silliest of all.
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I really don't care if she kills forest animals or not. I just think it's funny that her family gets their jollies standing around in the freezing cold just hoping desperately for something to shoot at when they could just as easily get dead meat at their local grocer. I didn't know when I reached out to be her friend just how trashy she is.
People who hunt are trashy?
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September 7th, 2011, 05:43 PM
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Because factory farmed meat is so much more civilized? If you are going to have an opinion at least be educated on your choices before trying to slam a person for theirs.


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Well, I'm nowhere near rich and I don't wanna be a snob. I've never understood hunters as a basic premise since there's no need for them in today's society. Then I caught a few of those awful hunter reality shows and it became pretty clear to me: they GET OFF on what they're doing. They spend a LOT of time and even MORE money for the privilege of freezing their nuts off in a homemade nest, bathed in deer urine, for days on end only to maybe or maybe not kill something. Then they hold its dead body and grin widely for the camera, pleased as punch at the ridiculously laughable feat they accomplished.
In this section of TN hunting is not admirable or even necessary - it's just silly. And the people involved are the silliest of all.
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Well, I'm nowhere near rich and I don't wanna be a snob. I've never understood hunters as a basic premise since there's no need for them in today's society. Then I caught a few of those awful hunter reality shows and it became pretty clear to me: they GET OFF on what they're doing. They spend a LOT of time and even MORE money for the privilege of freezing their nuts off in a homemade nest, bathed in deer urine, for days on end only to maybe or maybe not kill something. Then they hold its dead body and grin widely for the camera, pleased as punch at the ridiculously laughable feat they accomplished.
In this section of TN hunting is not admirable or even necessary - it's just silly. And the people involved are the silliest of all.
I could understand this if you DIDN'T FREAKING EAT MEAT! This is absolutely absurd. How is it any better to go buy your meat in a store, with an animal that likely didn't have a humane life to begin with and was then slaughtered for your consumption. I don't know where you live, but around here, you can't just go to the store and buy deer meat. I know MANY people who use this meat for the entire year, so people do hunt for the cost. You are so pretentious, with your nose stuck up in the air, that you can't see how completely ridiculous you are acting.
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Because factory farmed meat is so much more civilized? If you are going to have an opinion at least be educated on your choices before trying to slam a person for theirs.
Well, ok then, educate me on the people who giggle in the forest and bathe in animal urine all just to get factory-produced meat on my table.
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I could understand this if you DIDN'T FREAKING EAT MEAT! This is absolutely absurd. How is it any better to go buy your meat in a store, with an animal that likely didn't have a humane life to begin with and was then slaughtered for your consumption. I don't know where you live, but around here, you can't just go to the store and buy deer meat. I know MANY people who use this meat for the entire year, so people do hunt for the cost. You are so pretentious, with your nose stuck up in the air, that you can't see how completely ridiculous you are acting.
Soo...Gina is better than a factory worker because she makes a horrifying game out of killing animals? Riiiight. And I'm certain she only kills the deer for its meat, not because it's fun to stalk and shoot them. Seriously, have you guys seen these hunting shows? I'd venture to say many of those folks have mental issues. No one hunts cows, do they?
The reason deer meat isn't readily available in stores is NOT because it's so tasty and millions of people are demanding it...
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Well, ok then, educate me on the people who giggle in the forest and bathe in animal urine all just to get factory-produced meat on my table.

Soo...Gina is better than a factory worker because she makes a horrifying game out of killing animals? Riiiight. And I'm certain she only kills the deer for its meat, not because it's fun to stalk and shoot them. Seriously, have you guys seen these hunting shows? I'd venture to say many of those folks have mental issues. No one hunts cows, do they?
The reason deer meat isn't readily available in stores is NOT because it's so tasty and millions of people are demanding it...
I grew up on a farm and still go to livestock sales rather frequently. Trust me, a quick bullet is much more humane than what many domesticated animals go through. Let's not get started on those with mental issues......
I am not a fan of hunting, and have never done it myself, but you are going way extreme here (shocker).

There are many horrific videos to compare if you'd like. No one could ever convince me that it is more humane to go through the below process than to be shot and die nearly instantly. It's like saying you would rather be tortured than to be shot and die a painless death.



Slaughterhouse - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The slaughterhouse process differs by species and region and may be controlled by civil law as well as religious laws such as Kosher and Halal laws. A typical procedure follows:

Cattle (mostly steers and heifers, some cows, and even fewer bulls) are received by truck or rail from a ranch, farm, or feedlot.
Cattle are herded into holding pens.
Cattle are rendered unconscious by applying an electric shock of 300 volts and 2 amps to the back of the head, effectively stunning the animal,[6] or by use of a captive bolt pistol to the front of the cow's head (a pneumatic or cartridge-fired captive bolt). Swine can be rendered unconscious by CO2/inert gas stunning. (This step is prohibited under strict application of Halal and Kashrut codes.)
Animals are hung upside down by both of their hind legs on the processing line.
The carotid artery and jugular vein are severed with a knife, blood drains, causing death through exsanguination.
The head is removed, as well as front and rear feet. Prior to hide removal, care is taken to cut around the digestive tract to prevent fecal contamination later in the process.
The hide/skin is removed by down pullers, side pullers and fisting off the pelt (sheep and goats). Hides can also be removed by laying the carcase on a cradle and skinning with a knife.
The internal organs are removed and inspected for internal parasites and signs of disease. The viscera are separated for inspection from the heart and lungs, referred to as the "pluck." Livers are separated for inspection, tongues are dropped or removed from the head, and the head is sent down the line on the head hooks or head racks for inspection of the lymph nodes for signs of systemic disease.
The carcase is inspected by a government inspector for safety. (This inspection is performed by the Food Safety Inspection Service in the U.S., and Canadian Food Inspection Agency in Canada.)
Carcases are subjected to intervention to reduce levels of bacteria. Common interventions are steam, hot water, and organic acids.
Carcases (typically cattle and sheep only) can be electrically stimulated to improve meat tenderness.
Carcases are chilled to prevent the growth of microorganisms and to reduce meat deterioration while the meat awaits distribution.
The chilled carcase is broken down into primal cuts and subprimals for boxed meat unless customer specifies for intact sides of meat. Beef and horse carcases are always split in half and then quartered, pork is split into sides only and goat/veal/mutton and lamb is left whole
The remaining carcase may be further processed to extract any residual traces of meat, usually termed advanced meat recovery or mechanically separated meat, which may be used for human or animal consumption.
Waste materials such as bone, lard or tallow, are sent to a rendering plant. Also, lard and tallow can be used for the production of biodiesel or heating oil.
The wastewater, consisting of blood and fecal matter, generated by the slaughtering process is sent to a waste water treatment plant.
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Never hunted a day in my life and I never will and I understand that killing deer in the woods is more humane than the way that livestock animals are treated. I barely eat meat as it is but I do eat it because I enjoy the taste of it. Apparently one mean tv show about shooting deer is enough to prove that every hunter out there is a blood thirsty sociopath. Ya learn something new every day!
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I grew up on a farm and still go to livestock sales rather frequently. Trust me, a quick bullet is much more humane than what many domesticated animals go through. Let's not get started on those with mental issues......
I am not a fan of hunting, and have never done it myself, but you are going way extreme here (shocker).
I'm only reacting to what I've seen with my own eyes and whenever I see/hear someone get EXCITED about KILLING my warning sirens go off. I'm not nearly so much defending or even addressing slaughterhouses as I am the kind of people who spend ample amounts of time and cash in order to pursue something "fun" such as open fire on something that doesn't even suspect it.
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Say what?? You want me to educate you on your position that a factory farmed animals death is in anyway more humane than those that are hunted? I mean you watched a TV show so that must give you a clear view on what hunting is about. TV shows never sensationalize things that get views, right? I mean we're all walking around with Snookie poofs here in Jersey

This is honestly getting about as stupid as when you pulled a Mary Katharine Gallagher and used a quote from the Patriot to explain your political views.

Do you form all your views off of entertainment based TV and movies?

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Well, ok then, educate me on the people who giggle in the forest and bathe in animal urine all just to get factory-produced meat on my table.
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Say what?? You want me to educate you on your position that a factory farmed animals death is in anyway more humane than those that are hunted? I mean you watched a TV show so that must give you a clear view on what hunting is about. TV shows never sensationalize things that get views, right? I mean we're all walking around with Snookie poofs here in Jersey

This is honestly getting about as stupid as when you pulled a Mary Katharine Gallagher and used a quote from the Patriot to explain your political views.

Do you form all your views off of entertainment based TV and movies?
Nope, in fact I have a better idea. Let's let Gina explain how her family gets ready for a typical weekend fulla killin'.
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OK let me spell it out for you Shel, you are insignificant in my eyes, thus making you a non mother f'n factor. You will never be more than pure entertainment for me on days when I'm truly bored, I shall use you like a dirty chew toy that dogs barely play with.

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Well, I'm nowhere near rich and I don't wanna be a snob. I've never understood hunters as a basic premise since there's no need for them in today's society. Then I caught a few of those awful hunter reality shows and it became pretty clear to me: they GET OFF on what they're doing. They spend a LOT of time and even MORE money for the privilege of freezing their nuts off in a homemade nest, bathed in deer urine, for days on end only to maybe or maybe not kill something. Then they hold its dead body and grin widely for the camera, pleased as punch at the ridiculously laughable feat they accomplished.
In this section of TN hunting is not admirable or even necessary - it's just silly. And the people involved are the silliest of all.
Oh dear how sad that your parents expensive private school education has gone to waste. Go educate yourself properly and you will quickly learn that there are people in today's world that completely live off of hunting and gathering. Tell them there is no need for hunting.
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This is making my brain hurt!

So what if people enjoy hunting? How is that any different from people enjoying raising chickens for feed, or enjoying planting a garden for food? It all has the same ending, ON THEIR PLATE.

Shel watching a hunting show in TV is nothing like going hunting for food. Not even close. I don't agree with Trophy hunting because it takes food animals out of the forest. In today's society where welfare need is through the roof, hunting is NEEDED.
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What are you talking about? I don't care what Gina does on her weekends, why do you? How does that help anyone to form an opinion on hunting as a whole vs factory farming as a whole?

Or did you throw a juvenile dig out against one poster and now feel the need to spastically defend your stance? You're all over the place.


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As a person who hasn't hunted in years but enjoyed doing so, I can tell you exactly why it's enjoyable. It's an accomplishment. Hunting is a skill, you can't just walk out there and shoot in any direction and hope you get something. Humans depended on hunting for thousands of years and many of us still find pride in knowing that we haven't lost our basic survival skills. It is a matter of self sufficiency. Gina doesn't rely on industrial farming, she can rely on herself.
Why are hunters proud of their kills? The more points on the antlers, the older the buck is. The older the buck is, the smarter he is. He has survived many hunting seasons and learned lots of the tricks that humans use. To be the person who finally brings that buck in, it's a huge sense of pride.
My first husband and his family are avid hunters and when I was there I hunted too. I know first hand how happy I was to help butcher those deer, knowing that 1 deer got the entire extended family meat for about 2 months. It was nice eating meat that was not pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics, and that didn't live in horrible conditions its entire life. The slaughter process isn't the only torture those animals endure. From day 1 their life sucks.
So if getting back to the land and living in a frugal way, and thinking that animals don't need to live in agony just to provide me their meat makes me a low class barbarian, just call me Brunhilda.
Every single one of your complaints is such a non issue to most people. You really need to quit worrying about what Gina does, or what faith anyone is. There is a middle ground between being a shameful closet atheist and being a total douche to anyone who believes in God. Many women on this board have managed to act like adults and find that balance. So what's your malfunction?
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As a person who hasn't hunted in years but enjoyed doing so, I can tell you exactly why it's enjoyable. It's an accomplishment. Hunting is a skill, you can't just walk out there and shoot in any direction and hope you get something. Humans depended on hunting for thousands of years and many of us still find pride in knowing that we haven't lost our basic survival skills. It is a matter of self sufficiency. Gina doesn't rely on industrial farming, she can rely on herself.
Why are hunters proud of their kills? The more points on the antlers, the older the buck is. The older the buck is, the smarter he is. He has survived many hunting seasons and learned lots of the tricks that humans use. To be the person who finally brings that buck in, it's a huge sense of pride.
My first husband and his family are avid hunters and when I was there I hunted too. I know first hand how happy I was to help butcher those deer, knowing that 1 deer got the entire extended family meat for about 2 months. It was nice eating meat that was not pumped full of growth hormones and antibiotics, and that didn't live in horrible conditions its entire life. The slaughter process isn't the only torture those animals endure. From day 1 their life sucks.
So if getting back to the land and living in a frugal way, and thinking that animals don't need to live in agony just to provide me their meat makes me a low class barbarian, just call me Brunhilda.
Every single one of your complaints is such a non issue to most people. You really need to quit worrying about what Gina does, or what faith anyone is. There is a middle ground between being a shameful closet atheist and being a total douche to anyone who believes in God. Many women on this board have managed to act like adults and find that balance. So what's your malfunction?

Very well said.

Michelle, I also hunt turkey to put them on the table at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Where do you get yours? in the frozen section? with all the hormones?

Oh and you should try the fish me and my family catch all summer.

There is a saying that goes like this "Take your kids hunting and you won't have to go hunting for your kids." That is how my family raised me and that is how I will raise my family. If you have a problem with my God or my guns, keep it to yourself you
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Very well said.

Michelle, I also hunt turkey to put them on the table at Thanksgiving and Christmas. Where do you get yours? in the frozen section? with all the hormones?

Oh and you should try the fish me and my family catch all summer.

There is a saying that goes like this "Take your kids hunting and you won't have to go hunting for your kids." That is how my family raised me and that is how I will raise my family. If you have a problem with my God or my guns, keep it to yourself you
People like you give me hope for the world. it's so nice to see people who can eat what they kill. I'd probably eat a hunted turkey, but I'm fussy with ma seafood. Growing up on the ocean is to blame

DF has that same mentality about his kids. If he wants to teach them to hunt, I'm perfectly ok with it, long as I don't have to eat it (tho I'd prolly choke down a mouthful of deer that one of my kids killed just cause that's what mommies do.)
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Just an opinion from an actual vegetarian here...

While I could never shoot any living thing, If I had to make the choice and I was starving, I would eat a deer that someone killed, was thankful for, and used every bit of, over beef anyday. The beef industry sickens me. And yeah if you were educated on the topic at all you would know that a bullet killing a deer is a million times more humane than the beef industry slitting the throats of millions of cattle. Have you ever seen that "assembly line" Shel? Have you ever seen the eyes of the cow behind the one being slaughtered? Have you seen the terror in their eyes? Yeah well go watch that and get back to me.

And those hunting shows? Please hun, you tried to make me feel stupid for believing in ghosts, well do you not get that those shows are to provoke? They are reality TV at it's finest. That is not how hunting works in the real world. Sure, there are hunters that do it for sport, but not around here... They do it to feed their families. And to me that is so much less hypocritical than the person spouting off about killing deer, but who continues to eat slaughtered animals as long as they get them all neat and pretty in the grocery store.
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