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September 5th, 2011, 12:12 PM
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Fire At Tennessee Mosque Construction Site Now Under Federal Arson Investigation

Has anyone seen this or caught the CNN thing about it last nightÉ

Basic run down, there are 200 Muslim families (not 200 people, 200 households) that live in and around this rural area. Their mosque right now is so small they end up praying on the side walk. So they did a fundraiser and purchased 15 acres and plan on building a 35,000 square foot complex. Will include a school, gym, foot ball field, mosque and cemetery among other things.

This town has done just about everything they can to prevent this. They think that sure they're entitled to pray as they see fit, but they aren't allowed to build the mosque because it will draw in more terrorists. They've even complained about the cemetery because the Muslims bury with out a casket and they're all up in arms about what that will do to the wells nearby.

DF and I were so appalled by what we were hearing we had to change the channel.


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September 5th, 2011, 12:49 PM
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Now, I don't know anything about dead bodies and they're effects on wells so I don't have a comment on that.

But they are just being ignorant about the building of the mosque. That's like saying that building Baptist churches are going to be the West Borough Baptist people to your area. Those people need a mosque to pray in every bit as much as people need churches to pray in (or temples or holy places, you get the idea). They bought the land legally and I see no reason to restrict them from building their mosque on it.

And someone needs to tell them that terrorists can be any race, creed or religion. Terrorism is not a "religious" thing.

Terrorism-
1 : the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
2 : violent and intimidating gang activity
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September 5th, 2011, 06:36 PM
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Sigh.

I know there are a lot of deer, bears and other largish game in Tennessee, when they die are they buried in caskets? No? Well then, looks like this is a moot point. It's not like there are millions of Muslims dying in their area and being stacked in the ground like cord wood. Muslims do not use preservatives or anything so it will be natural biological breakdown in the earth. Fertilizer really.

And terrorists are evil but not stupid, they would not form a cell where they would stand out but most likely be in a heavily populated area where they could blend in. I bet the Muslims in this area can't even fart without one of their paranoid neighbors sniffing the air.

These guys are bigots and grasping at straws so "those people" can't have a place of worship that fits their needs. I am sure they just want them to stay in the back of the bus and crap. At this point they are coming very close to stomping on these folk's constitutional right to worship in freedom.
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This is another one where I think some people have too much time on their hands. The group purchased the land and should be able to build their place of worship.

As far as burying without using a casket, I have no idea on this one. I would guess each state has laws or policies on this? As long as its legal, I don't see the problem.
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September 11th, 2011, 04:41 PM
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Fire At Tennessee Mosque Construction Site Now Under Federal Arson Investigation

Has anyone seen this or caught the CNN thing about it last nightÉ

Basic run down, there are 200 Muslim families (not 200 people, 200 households) that live in and around this rural area. Their mosque right now is so small they end up praying on the side walk. So they did a fundraiser and purchased 15 acres and plan on building a 35,000 square foot complex. Will include a school, gym, foot ball field, mosque and cemetery among other things.

This town has done just about everything they can to prevent this. They think that sure they're entitled to pray as they see fit, but they aren't allowed to build the mosque because it will draw in more terrorists. They've even complained about the cemetery because the Muslims bury with out a casket and they're all up in arms about what that will do to the wells nearby.


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I live in a town next to Murfreesboro, and I just want to clarify a few things.

M'boro is not exactly "rural." It's approximately 25 miles down the road from Nashville, has the largest university in the state and has a population of more than 100,000 people. This is not some backwater Southern town where everyone is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

It is grossly overexaggerating to say that the town is doing everything they can to prevent the new mosque. Yes, there is a very vocal group trying to stop the mosque, but to paint it in terms of the entire town is definitely an overstatment.

That's all I really want to say about the subject. It is disgusting that there are those who will not afford others the freedom to worship as they choose. What I have found as I have travelled the country, though, is that groups like these exist everywhere. It's an unfortunate fact of life.

Also, I believe the Murfreesboro judge on this case recently ruled in favor of building the mosque, citing our right to freedom of worship.
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I live in a town next to Murfreesboro, and I just want to clarify a few things.

M'boro is not exactly "rural." It's approximately 25 miles down the road from Nashville, has the largest university in the state and has a population of more than 100,000 people. This is not some backwater Southern town where everyone is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.

It is grossly overexaggerating to say that the town is doing everything they can to prevent the new mosque. Yes, there is a very vocal group trying to stop the mosque, but to paint it in terms of the entire town is definitely an overstatment.

That's all I really want to say about the subject. It is disgusting that there are those who will not afford others the freedom to worship as they choose. What I have found as I have travelled the country, though, is that groups like these exist everywhere. It's an unfortunate fact of life.

Also, I believe the Murfreesboro judge on this case recently ruled in favor of building the mosque, citing our right to freedom of worship.
Ummm, you effectively stereotyped while trying to speak against stereotyping. You don't want your town painted as a bunch of bigoted idiots, but don't mind to throw the south out there. I know, I know, you'll say you were being very specific, but I'd be willing to bet you'd have a hard time finding any WHOLE town that is what you described. So, in reality, they are similar to the one in this discussion.
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September 11th, 2011, 08:17 PM
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Ummm, you effectively stereotyped while trying to speak against stereotyping. You don't want your town painted as a bunch of bigoted idiots, but don't mind to throw the south out there. I know, I know, you'll say you were being very specific, but I'd be willing to bet you'd have a hard time finding any WHOLE town that is what you described. So, in reality, they are similar to the one in this discussion.
Nope. Disagree. Just felt that's where the OP was coming from. I felt the OP insinuated that M'boro was that type of town...I didn't say that there were whole towns of people like that in the state where I live. Also, M'boro is not my town. I'm not even from Tennessee or the South. I will say (as I said in my first post) that there are ignorant people across the country. I truly hate generalized stereotypes about the Southeast portion of America that pretend as if hatred doesn't exist in California, Washington, Illinois, DC, etc etc.
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Ummm, you effectively stereotyped while trying to speak against stereotyping. You don't want your town painted as a bunch of bigoted idiots, but don't mind to throw the south out there. I know, I know, you'll say you were being very specific, but I'd be willing to bet you'd have a hard time finding any WHOLE town that is what you described. So, in reality, they are similar to the one in this discussion.

And considering the town is attempting to get the construction stalled again and get it to go to trial, it says something about a lot of the people who live there.

to loosely quote one of the women in the documentary "if they build that place, what's to keep more terrorists from coming here?" Not more Muslims, more terrorists. Shows what they think of the people who already live there.

They destroyed one sign, and another has the words "NOT WELCOME" scrawled over it.

So Bev, I'm sure you're not one of those people out protesting the right to freedom of religion against the Muslims, but the town has a rather large racist population, whether you want to accept it or not. The people don't even hide their feelings during the documentary!




and this from another article really boiled my blood.

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Last month, Tennessee Lt. Gov. Ron Ramsey publicly criticized the project. "You could even argue whether being a Muslim is actually a religion, or is it a nationality, way of life, a cult, whatever you want to call it," Ramsey, then a candidate for Tennessee governor, said at a rally.
Feds investigate fire at site of future Tennessee mosque - CNN.com
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Is anybody at all outraged that the LDS church faces lots of opposition when they want to build new temples?

Mormon Musings: The New Arizona Temple and its Opposition

It's not like Muslim mosques are the only religious buildings that get opposition.

That said, the way they are going about this in Tennessee is all wrong. If the community as a whole opposes it then it truly needs to stay in the realm of being a legal matter. Resorting to vandalism, arson, and other crimes is never acceptable.
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Is anybody at all outraged that the LDS church faces lots of opposition when they want to build new temples?

Mormon Musings: The New Arizona Temple and its Opposition

It's not like Muslim mosques are the only religious buildings that get opposition.

That said, the way they are going about this in Tennessee is all wrong. If the community as a whole opposes it then it truly needs to stay in the realm of being a legal matter. Resorting to vandalism, arson, and other crimes is never acceptable.
it took 9 years for Halifax to approve a new LDS temple. their argument for the red tape was that it's not a structure that could be used by the entire community as a whole, there were other organizations that needed to come first.

they cut their wait down by adding a community access centre and a library that would contain books that the school age kids would be able to use (encyclopaedias etc). They are fully separate from the temple itself (which is flipping gorgeous, I got to see inside before it was officially completed when non Mormons cannot enter) and the access centre has a full gymnasium and fitness centre, which can be rented (to help pay the cost of them) by the community. A near by high school rents the fitness centre 10 months a year for their sports teams. The scout troop rents the gym a night a week to hold their meetings.

It just sucked, since they'd planned on building those buildings 2 years after the temple was put up, but they had to build them first to get their approval.

But Halifax supported the build, the city council seemed to be the ones who were putting up the stop sign.

i hate the crap that comes around building a new place of worship. For every new church that opens where I'm from, two close, so the arguments are moot and pretty much insulting to the people who need a new place of worship.
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So Bev, I'm sure you're not one of those people out protesting the right to freedom of religion against the Muslims, but the town has a rather large racist population, whether you want to accept it or not. The people don't even hide their feelings during the documentary!
While I admit there is most definitely racism here in the South, in Tennessee, in M'boro, in my town, my point is that you can't really make an assumption on how "large" the racist population is here based on a documentary where a few people out of a large number of residents were interviewed. It's not really an issue of me wanting to accept it or not. It's me saying that I live and interact with the population here on a daily basis, so I can give you a first hand account of what I know about these people. I can tell you education plays a big part of it. So to does age. And remember, there is a large university presence here of more than 20,000 students, and while I'm sure there is a portion of those who are racist, we are talking about young adults who live here but originate from all over the nation and world.

I may be a little defensive about this, but it kind of gets under my skin when assumptions about any group of people is made, especially based on just a little bit of information. Just like the racist people in that documentary are making ignorant assumptions about Muslims, so to is it wrong to label a town as one way based on a few stories. I mean, by that logic, we would also have to assume that NYC is largely racist since this same debate has occurred there.
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Why are you completely ignoring what you said in your first post? Here, let me remind you:
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This is not some backwater Southern town where everyone is racist, sexist, homophobic, etc.
You are stereotyping whole towns (albeit not a specific one), just like you don't want people to do.
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Why are you completely ignoring what you said in your first post? Here, let me remind you: You are stereotyping whole towns (albeit not a specific one), just like you don't want people to do.

What I tried explaining in my response to you is that it was not my intent to stereotype any town or region. I didn't ignore what I said in my first post. I tried to clarify. Let me try again...that one sentence you are pointing out was my response to feeling like the town in question was being wrongly stereotyped. I do think I understand what you are saying, but just because I use a stereotype as an example doesn't mean I believe or support it. Statements like the one you are quoting is something I encounter all the time about the South, which is why I used it. I feel like it's a common misconception about this region, but it's not a belief about the South that I endorse or support. If you want to continue reading your interpretation into my intent behind that one sentence, then go for it.
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