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September 7th, 2011, 07:53 PM
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You and I have different definitions of expensive. Panera Bread charges like $6 for a kid's bowl of macaroni and cheese. At Subway it's $3.75 for a sandwich. If you were to make those things on the own they would be about 1/4 of the cost. It's not tenable for the state to pay 4 times the price necessary for the services it provides.
I think I meant to type they *are* a bit spendy. I think the mac and cheese is $4 at ours. We went there today, but ds1 only gets the grilled cheese which is $3 I think, and ds2 likes the fruit cups, which I think are a bit over priced.
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Today we got 4 banana's, 2 cursaints, 3 drinks, 2 coffees, 1 yogurt, and a pack of crackers for $20. If we could go to burger king we would have got a salad (something I don't have because it's to costly and spoils fast), 2 $1 burgers, $1 chicken sandwich and 3 drinks for $7. It would be a lot easier, healthier and cheaper just to pick up a salad. Even when choosing between a microwave meal and a plain grill snack wrap w/ cheese, tomato, pickle the fast food is healthier, cheaper, and faster. I think adding this option where there's a $10 a day limit is a really good option to ensure people eat regularly. I would love if I just had the extra $30 a month cash to have $1 salads daily but that's not possible.
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September 8th, 2011, 06:37 AM
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Fast food isn't healthy....
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Today we got 4 banana's, 2 cursaints, 3 drinks, 2 coffees, 1 yogurt, and a pack of crackers for $20. If we could go to burger king we would have got a salad (something I don't have because it's to costly and spoils fast), 2 $1 burgers, $1 chicken sandwich and 3 drinks for $7. It would be a lot easier, healthier and cheaper just to pick up a salad. Even when choosing between a microwave meal and a plain grill snack wrap w/ cheese, tomato, pickle the fast food is healthier, cheaper, and faster. I think adding this option where there's a $10 a day limit is a really good option to ensure people eat regularly. I would love if I just had the extra $30 a month cash to have $1 salads daily but that's not possible.
McSnack Wrap
McDonald’s USA - Ranch Snack Wrap® (Grilled)

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Chicken broccoli fettuccine alfredo
Michelinas : Fettuccine Alfredo with Chicken & Broccoli

So you get twice the weight in food with the microwave meal. So take the McDonald's nutritional info and multiply it by two and the price by two. So far, for nutritional value and price, the microwave meal is winning in the healthy option category.

and unless you're eating the salad plain, or with low fat dressing, the microwave meal is STILL lower in calories.
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My longer post got erased so here's the summary.

It can be healthier and higher quality then pre-packaged foods.

I can not eat Alfredo or anything w/ that high fat count

Those microwave meals cost $1 or more then the snack-wrap and if I'm feeding 1/2 to the garbage then that's a wasting a $1 when for each meal per person we get $1.40 mind you I'm NOT complaining. Plus when your gone all day, most days then it's really hard to pack a healthier lunch, & dinner for cheaper then $1.06. Even if $100 of the money could be used for hot food I think it would help a lot of families. We live in a time that covenant food is a must for any busy family and it is hard not to find a family that is extremely busy no matter the social class.

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PBJ, an apple/banana and a granola bar is pretty darn cheap.
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PBnJ, apple and a banana aren't a hot meal though. Unless you heat the of course, lol.. I'm fairly certain people are more discussing the hot meal aspect than "any" meal aspect.
If it were any type meal you could get more(well I can) food for the same price you'd pay for PBnJ an apple and a banana-especially if you're feeding more than just yourself. Sometimes produce can be expensive as all get out too. Today alone I spent over $100 on just produce when I went grocery shopping and that's only enough for the next two weeks(and bought at a store that was cheaper than most grocery stores). Assuming the kids will make it last that long-which isn't very likely, but we'll try. My grocery bill would have been much, much smaller if I didn't buy any produce, or at least a lot less. But I chose to indulge them a little(probably more than I should have, sad when fresh produce becomes a treat, I guess).
I'm not one for convenience food, personally. But I can see why having a prepared hot meal-though it's a luxury many can't/don't have very often-is a strong desire/want for a lot of people. I wish it were more readily available and affordable, for everyone.
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Absolutely not! If you are getting food stamps you HAVE the resources to cook a nutritious meal at home. And you get PLENTY of money to do that. This is ridiculous. Eating at a restaurant is a luxury not a necessity.
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Ah I thought we had stemmed off of hot meal to a packed lunch for some reason. So I was saying PBJ, apple/banana and a granola bar would be a nutritious packed lunch instead of fast food.

Lots of co-ops, Whole Foods and Farmer's Markets now accept the EBT card, so that's good. I still think they should be allowed to go out once a month or something like that. Hot meals aren't a luxury, yes going out can be a luxury, but also a need for some people. Everyone's lives are different.
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Absolutely not! If you are getting food stamps you HAVE the resources to cook a nutritious meal at home. And you get PLENTY of money to do that. This is ridiculous. Eating at a restaurant is a luxury not a necessity.
Resources? Like access to a grocery store? Working electricity? Hmm, how about if you're homeless? Do you think you have the "resources" then?
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Absolutely not! If you are getting food stamps you HAVE the resources to cook a nutritious meal at home. And you get PLENTY of money to do that. This is ridiculous. Eating at a restaurant is a luxury not a necessity.
That's not always correct. What about those who are homeless, and receive food stamps? What if your utilities are temporarily shut off, while you are on assistance? There could be a number of scenarios when making a hot meal for yourself isn't going to be possible.
I can think of a scenario that I went through when having food stamps(at the time we didn't qualify) and being able to use them to buy a prepared meal, would have been a true blessing. DD was in and out of the hospital for years. There were times we'd be there for a month or more. Having extra money to buy food for myself, wasn't going to happen. The child life specialists made sure I got one meal ticket a week, so I could eat. Do you really think I had money to feed myself in that cafeteria? It wasn't cheap, couldn't even buy an apple for less than $1 much less anything else. I lived off the free hot tea(they offered coffee too, but I hate coffee, lol) and ice water, plus my one meal ticket per week. I know that's not the typical scenario, not likely common at all, but it is one scenario that would apply here.

Also, not everyone who gets food stamps(which are meant to supplement your income to feed you, and your family if you have one), gets enough to even do this for a whole month. Some people may get enough or even more than enough, but not everyone. I can make ours last the entire month and cover our entire grocery bill. But not everyone has access to the same stores I use. We have Aldis and Save-a-Lot here. It's easy(for me) to make mine cover the whole month-if I avoid buying too much produce anyway, lol. But then I've budgeted every last cent for years so I knew before we even got them how to get a certain amount last for a month, since I've been doing it for quite some time.

I don't think being able to eat in a restaurant in and of itself is a want that food stamps ought to cover, but at the same time I can see how it would serve a purpose. Having food stamps be able to cover a hot prepared meal would serve that same purpose though, be easier to implement, and would likely not cause the public to cry foul, either.
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The reason that most states do not allow restaurants/stores to serve hot foods is because hot foods is taxable. Unprepared foods are not. (MOST STATES. Some places I hear food no matter what IS taxable, in which case it wouldn't matter if it was prepared or not).

I'm about helping people if/when they need it. Not supporting them so that they can live better lives than everyone else. Someone else said it: Middle class deprive themselves of things because they can't afford them and probably resent having to watch people who aren't working (or trying) get the very things they are sacrificing and would also like to have. Somehow, the working class gets punished for working.

Americans have become expectant, greedy, and superficial, honestly, and I think the truly poor are generally not like this. I very much doubt they are thinking about panera bread. I think they're thinking more about "How do I pay my rent and still eat?" more than anything. Welfare is to ensure that those people who are in true need do not suffer unnecessarily. But it's not designed to "reward" people either. People need to take some accountability for themselves and their situations. I do think something once a month to allow the poor to eat out is fine, but otherwise, the poor can cook at home like everyone else. If they are HOMELESS, then a better option would be to try to locate homes for these people.

One thing that bothers me a LOT. The state often has buildings that arent being used. They could have people volunteer some time and make the buildings livable and this can offer people more options. this goes for wharehouses (maybe to use as shelter), homes that were forclosed on (to offer low rent to low-income in nicer areas), homes that were abandoned or part of an estate but no one claims can be used to help families with children, abandoned apartment buildings can be restored with the help of those who would like to live there, etc. So many different things can be done here to make things better, WITHOUT having to give handouts.
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People on food stamps aren't living a better live than everyone else because they are on food stamps. They are barely making it. A hot meal in a restaurant is a blessing to many. Single parents, parents who work 3 jobs daily, disabled people, etc etc etc. I don't think the middle class deprives themselves, I doubt all those people filling up the restaurants are poor folks on food stamps. Panera bread is only an example. It's a healthy place where people could get a hot nutritious meal once in awhile.
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People on food stamps aren't living a better live than everyone else because they are on food stamps. They are barely making it. A hot meal in a restaurant is a blessing to many. Single parents, parents who work 3 jobs daily, disabled people, etc etc etc. I don't think the middle class deprives themselves, I doubt all those people filling up the restaurants are poor folks on food stamps. Panera bread is only an example. It's a healthy place where people could get a hot nutritious meal once in awhile.
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Quite a few of the folks who are on food stamps, are also working class people too. I'm one of them. My kids may not work for their benefits,(lol), but I sure as heck work my butt off, enough for all 4 of us. I just can't do it all alone-someday I'll be able to, but that day is not today. Personally I wouldn't want to use my benefits for Mcdonald's, Panera or any other restaurant-because I don't like 99.9999% of them and think they're all overpriced, lol. But it would be nice, every now and then, to be able to buy a hot meal already prepared. Perhaps that paints me as ungrateful, greedy, attempting to "live better" than the middle class(which ironically, is where I fall too) or whatever other negative spin people can put on it... to some folks. Eh, no skin off my nose.

I know that prepared hot foods can be taxed and this is why they say fs won't/shouldn't cover them. I just don't understand why they are taxed to begin with. Since their opposite, those cold prepared foods, and the foods you just need to heat up-though they're already cooked, are not taxable(at least not in this state). That right there, makes absolutely no sense. But it is what it is I suppose. I still believe if they allowed the purchase of these items it would be a heck of a lot easier than allowing folks to buy food at a restaurant with their fs. It might end up even being cheaper for people, and use less of their fs than the restaurant would. It would for me, if I were to use them for that, because I'm too cheap to pay high prices for things, lol.
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I am on food stamps and I say no way. Its a waste of tax payers money for me to go eat at a restaurant. For the $20 I'd spend on the meal, I could go to walmart and get a days worth of food or more and no it doesnt have to be junk food.
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I am on food stamps and I say no way. Its a waste of tax payers money for me to go eat at a restaurant. For the $20 I'd spend on the meal, I could go to walmart and get a days worth of food or more and no it doesnt have to be junk food.
You have a Walmart to go to. Some people don't.

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I think every state should have a few healthy restaurants that offer food stamps. Panera Bread type places would be nice (they aren't that spendy and are healthy). Or even Subway type places. I know that in MN many Papa Murphy pizza places accept food stamps. Our local co-op and Farmer's Market now does too, so that's cool. Not sure how many people actually use either of those though.

I agree with this. It should be healthier options ONLY. Many times poor people choose fast food b/c it is CHEAP. I played an online "game" recently where you have x amount of money and try to get through the month. One scenario was- you are at work, forgot your lunch. You can buy a salad for $6 or a burger off the dollar menu. Choice is obvious. Dollar burger- will fill you up. Not healthy, but when you have no $$ you really don't care.

I know the Trader Joes here in CA accepts EBT, which I think is great. Not sure every state is like that. We also have a Henry's (soon to be Sprouts) and think they also accept it. If not, they should. They have better quality meat and produce and for a cheaper price. The bad thing is, in the low income areas you rarely have these 2 stores. Low income areas around here have expensive grocery stores and fast food. And that's about it.
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So, you dont have to shop at walmart. give me a break, if you are on food stamps you dont need to use them at a restaurant. thats a luxury not a right.

tax payers work hard for their money and they shouldnt have to pay for me, or anyone else on food stamps, to use their money to go enjoy myself at a restaurant. the govt is giving money for NEEDS not wants.
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You never answered about the homeless.........
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